I Need Help Asap At Home Euthanasia

What an horrific post never ever have i come across such a post ever .If my baby boy was suffering the vet is the best place to be it's dam right cruelty to do this yourself im so sorry but this has angered me and it's so disturbing in my option .

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Look, you're probably from a different country, and we may have different views. Carbon Dioxide euthanasia is a method APPROVED by the American Veterinary Medical Association for birds. I had talked to my vet before hand and she had said that if I can get the right concentrations of carbon dioxide, she doesn't have a problem with it. You don't know the whole story and you have no idea how it works. If done correctly, it is a peaceful way to go. If I had a choice, I'd rather him not have a cone being forced on his face with people he doesn't know restraining him and injecting a needle into his body. I came here for advice and other people's input, and not to be condemned and judged.
 
Well yes the rules in your country are obviously different to here in the UK.
As you said you came here to ask for advice and other peoples input, and that is what you got. None of us would use that method and would have a vet put our bird to sleep. He would feel no more stress than you doing it.
I am very sorry it has become necessary for the little chap to be pts, can you tell us whether this has now happened. You do not need to say which method was used.
 
I notice we have not been given an update? @Jammerdubbs please do let us know what is happening/happened. x
I am currently attending college for veterinary technicians. I know this was upsetting for some people to read, but I put a lot of thought into my baby. If done correctly, carbon dioxide at the right concentrations is a pain free, trauma free method of euthanasia approved by the American Veterinary Medical Association for most species under one pound or 0.5 kg, including avian species. I had a conversation with my avian vet about it, and she agreed that it would be less stressful than a typical euthanasia. She did not know enough about it to walk me through the process with confidence, but she had touched on it in continuing education seminars. She told me to do my research and make sure I knew what I was doing before I did it. She trusted that I would do the right thing. She knows me, and she knew how responsible I was. Though I have been instructed in dilutions of liquids and solids, I am not familiar with diluting gasses, so I asked for your advice. Regardless of what some of these people have said, I put a lot of though into this. I wanted my baby to have the most peaceful passing as possible, even if I had to do it myself. Don't think this was going to be an easy decision, because it wasn't. I thought about it for weeks. I weighed the pros and cons very carefully. I wanted what was best for my baby no matter what. He was the most important thing. I'm not a negligent or ignorant owner, and money was not a concern. I ended up taking him to the vet, and it killed me inside because I let other people's judgments on me influence my decision. I knew what was best for him, and I did not make the choice that was right for him because I was thinking more of what other people thought of me. Perhaps you may disagree with what I wanted, but that was my choice and my choice alone. For other people to step in and decide all of a sudden that they know what is best for me and my baby and judge me because I was making a choice that others didn't agree with is totally out of line. He is not their bird, they do not know him and how afraid he was when they took him away from me and euthanized him. I did not want for him to be afraid. I wanted him to know that it was going to be okay, and that I was going to be right there the whole time. I did not want his last moments to be terrifying, but calm and peaceful. I understand that this subject may be controversial, and I am sorry that upset some of you, but I do not apologize for thinking about what was best for my bird, even if it was not what you would do.
 
I'm sorry but you did post asking us for help and people expressed their views on the topic. I know that this method is approved as I had read the document....different people have different views about their animals and their treatment.....it's unfortunate that you feel some of those views influenced you in a way you did not wish.

I'm really sorry for your loss such a sweet birdie...fly free over rainbow bridge little one.
Good luck with your studies.
 
Hi Jammerdubbs i also don't apologise for my posts ether as i also have a right to an apinon yes it was your decision and right which choice you made no one can take that away from you no one has said any different they made an apinon and that's all .This is a very disturbing post i have never come across it before and it shocked and up set me to the core. Im so sorry for is loosening your feathered friend and for that my heart and thoughts are with you .

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Hi Jammerdubbs i also don't apologise for my posts ether as i also have a right to an apinon yes it was your decision and right which choice you made no one can take that away from you no one has said any different they made an apinon and that's all .This is a very disturbing post i have never come across it before and it shocked and up set me to the core. Im so sorry for is loosening your feathered friend and for that my heart and thoughts are with you .

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Thank you. I understand your point of view and I respect your opinion, I just don't like to be judged. I'm sorry we got into a bit of a quarrel. I hope all is forgiven.
 
I'm sorry but you did post asking us for help and people expressed their views on the topic. I know that this method is approved as I had read the document....different people have different views about their animals and their treatment.....it's unfortunate that you feel some of those views influenced you in a way you did not wish.

I'm really sorry for your loss such a sweet birdie...fly free over rainbow bridge little one.
Good luck with your studies.
Thank you. I appreciate everyone's input. I guess things are just different over there in terms of views on animal welfare. I don't see the harm in what I was researching, but perhaps you may see it as inhumane. I try to keep an open mind and respect everyone's opinion. Today was not one of my best days. I miss my sweetheart immensely. Thank you for helping and being understanding.
 
I generally agree with what has been said here, especially with regard to Sunnyring's comments about the effect that trying to do this yourself will have on you.

I will add that if I was in your position, before the decision that he needs to be put down was made at all, I would want to be certain that you can answer yes to all the following questions:

1) Has the cause of his seizures been properly investigated, and is it understood so far as is possible? (Seizures in birds, as in humans, can have many different causes, and so it is very difficult to make accurate prognoses without knowing the cause.)
2) Is his condition not treatable, or has all treatment which could be reasonably expected to work in his case been tried and failed?
3) Is his condition progressive in nature? (This has not been established unless question 1 has been answered to the extent that some sort of named diagnosis has been made - guesses, even well-educated guesses by professionals, do not cut it, especially if the professional in question is not an expert in neurological conditions.) This is to say that it can be expected to continue getting worse, with no hope of remission or alleviation of symptoms by treatment, or of the condition stablilizing or improving by itself.

You don't give details of his condition or what the vet said about it, so it's not clear to me (or presumably anyone else posting here) which category he fits, but if you cannot answer a definite yes to all the points above, I want to draw your attention to this, which I think is important to consider for anyone who has an animal which suffers seizures:

Most humans (and animals, so far as we have any way of telling) who have seizures do not suffer severely during the actual seizures - many humans who have seizures are not even aware of what is going on at the time, and have to be told later by others what actually happened, so we can assume something similar for animals. Seizures can point to severe underlying conditions such as deteriorative genetic illnesses, brain tumors, late stage organ failure, or poisoning - in which case euthanasia is likely the best option for an animal where the actual cause cannot be treated sucessfully. However, in cases where the seizures themselves are the main problem (eg. many cases of epilepsy), the animal is unlikely to be suffering much if at all during the actual seizures - the main danger to its well-being is therefore from associated threats such as injuring itself through accidents while seizing (eg falling off its perch in the case of a bird), or suffering hypoxia leading to brain damage, which can happen as a result of recurring or prolonged seizures. In these cases I think it is important to weigh carefully whether the animal can still be given a fulfilling quality of life by its carer despite the seizures, and to remember that in many cases it is more traumatic for the carer to witness the animal having seizures than for the animal itself.

Many animals (not to mention humans) who suffer recurrent seizures are in fact capable of living fulfilling, and often long lives even where the seizures are not fully controlled, besides which, many potential seizure causes are treatable, and in some cases completely curable.
He was on a medication for a while and the vet said it may or may not work but that was the only one that might help. He had a seizure a week maybe but it progressed very quickly. He was having 4 or 5 a day. He would fall off perches and just lay there and twitch. Thankfully I was on break from college so I was able to comfort him and ensure he wasn't injured. At one point he had gotten his foot caught in his food dish and hung himself by the toe. I hadn't discovered this until returning home from school. We had visited the vet many many times. She believes it is some sort of mass that may be related to a severe respiratory infection he had years ago before I adopted him. Once we told her about the sudden increase in seizures and the duration increase and severity of them, she said that his quality of life was in jeopardy and she advised me to euthanize him. We talked about carbon dioxide because it was an approved method by the AVMA and was an option to do at home so it wouldn't be so scary for him if we were at home and he didn't have people he didn't know grabbing him and doing whatever else to him. But the concentration of CO2 has to be right. Too high and the animal will experience pain and discomfort, too little and it will not effect them. By getting the right concentrations, they will not experience discomfort from oxygen deprivation because there is still some oxygen, but the carbon dioxide will make them sleepy and eventually their body will shut down. I'm not sure exactly how it works but from what I understand that's the gist of it. I was in the process of researching how to do this correctly but he was miserable and I could not miss school to stay home with him. The vet advised me to keep him in a small kennel with no perches and a heat pad to keep him warm until I made my decision. I eventually went to the vet and had him euthanized professionally. It was a hard decision to make. I am relieved that he is no longer in any danger, but I do miss him dearly. I've never had a bond with an animal that strong. He really was my baby.
 
I'm so sorry for your loss, I do know the pain of losing your baby bird and no matter the situation it's always terribly hard. I'm also sorry that your research didn't help you in the way you had hoped, but at least now you know that your poor baby is free from fear, pain, and a deteriorating quality of life, which is all any of us can do for our babies in those situations.

I think you did the right thing, not because I think the method you asked about is inherantly wrong, as it seems it can be a very peaceful way to slip away done properly. But your baby needed to be set free, and it wouldn't have been fair to make him wait for who knows how long until you were able to find the exact method and equipment to be 100% sure he was feeling no distress or pain. You did the right thing for him and you shouldn't feel guilty (we all do though, we're all very good at beating ourselves up over something, even when it's the best or only option for our friends.) I do hope you stay here, and perhaps one day feel able to give another lovely bird a new home with you. There are so many out there who need homes with someone who will love and care for them. x
 
Hey Jammerdubbs it was apinons nothing more hun no quarrelling on anyone's part so no problem at all. I really feel so sorry for you as you had to do something everyone dreads .Do stay with us we aren't all that bad you know thinking of you at this very sad time .RIP little one fly high and free over Rainbow Bridge where all your feathered friends and fury one await to greet you .Sending a massive (((hug ))) Jammerdubbs x

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Hey Jammerdubbs it was apinons nothing more hun no quarrelling on anyone's part so no problem at all. I really feel so sorry for you as you had to do something everyone dreads .Do stay with us we aren't all that bad you know thinking of you at this very sad time .RIP little one fly high and free over Rainbow Bridge where all your feathered friends and fury one await to greet you .Sending a massive (((hug ))) Jammerdubbs x

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Right, I understand. It just ruffled my feathers a bit, lol. She/he got offended, I got offended, and tensions were high. I try to respect everyone's opinion, just got hit in a sore spot. No grudges or anything. I appreciate the hugs. <3
 
I'm so sorry for your loss, I do know the pain of losing your baby bird and no matter the situation it's always terribly hard. I'm also sorry that your research didn't help you in the way you had hoped, but at least now you know that your poor baby is free from fear, pain, and a deteriorating quality of life, which is all any of us can do for our babies in those situations.

I think you did the right thing, not because I think the method you asked about is inherantly wrong, as it seems it can be a very peaceful way to slip away done properly. But your baby needed to be set free, and it wouldn't have been fair to make him wait for who knows how long until you were able to find the exact method and equipment to be 100% sure he was feeling no distress or pain. You did the right thing for him and you shouldn't feel guilty (we all do though, we're all very good at beating ourselves up over something, even when it's the best or only option for our friends.) I do hope you stay here, and perhaps one day feel able to give another lovely bird a new home with you. There are so many out there who need homes with someone who will love and care for them. x
Thanks, sweetie. I've had my eye on a baby sun conure for a while now. I'm expecting my reimbursement check in the next week or so from all the crap I had to buy for school. I thought about it long and hard, and I think I'm gonna scoop him up before anyone else does. I'm not so sure about what I'm gonna name him yet. First thing I'm gonna do is take him to the vet and get him a fecal and test the blood to figure out the sex so I can name accordingly. That's one of the things I regret with Bernie is not knowing for sure what the sex was. I have called him a boy for so long I just assumed.
 
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