Feeling Upset And Frustrated :(

I will say I will quite often put my birds in there cages and let the door stay open it dose make things so much better as they do not think it is some type of punishment and I have less trouble getting them in or out if I need to.
 
I'm bringing her home at the end of September. I'm house sitting for my parents for a week so I'm waiting until after that. I'm getting really stressed about bringing her home. I'm worried that she's going to hate it and hate me and potentially my boyfriend. I don't really know how to get her back to her not seeing me as some kind of threat/something she dislikes. And I feel guilty that she'll now be used to people around her every day, and she won't get that at the flat.
[colour=#4d4dff]No need to get stressed about bringing her home. It will work out because you want it to work out. Ignore her if she's showing aggressive body language. She'll come to you when she's ready. Tell your boyfriend to ignore her too and be careful of steady eye contact. She sounds very like Kobe in some ways. Kobe's fine now. Get back to target training and other training. You are right - it does build a good relationship between you. Don't forget to reinforce good behaviour... we humans get upset about the bad and often forget to reinforce when all is going well.[/colour]

Hi @Roz , thanks again so much for everything, I do have one more question about the ignoring!

I spoke about how she is puffing up and looking aggressing and biting etc when I ask her to step up. But I failed to mention that she brings the aggression to us. She will fly over land on you and either get puffed and put on her "attack voice" and do a neck bite, or just fly to you and bite straight away. This doesn't happen every time but I can't pin down what it is that's making her react that way, so I don't know how to avoid/ignore that?

Also, another example of her bringing the aggression is with my boyfriend. She actually really loves him and wants to be on him all the time. She'll come and sit under his chin and rub her head on his beard for a scratch, and then basically wants him to give her a head scratch. But when his fingers go near she bites? So he doesn't know how to act. It's not like "leave me alone", as she's coming over to us and asking for interaction. leaving her alone would be easy to comply with! It's like "give me affection! NOT LIKE THAT! BITE". If Simon does nothing and ignores her she gets annoyed.

What would you recommend in these instances?

Thanks again so much, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it !

x
 
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I'm sure @Roz will be able to help.

Chiko still has a bit of an issue with Mark's hands....they're much bigger than mine or his breeders hands!

I'm wondering if rather than Simon use his hand directly.....if there is a small foot toy she likes ......Chiko loves those plastic toys that are like little propellers...that he could try rubbing her head with???
 
Great answer, TomsMum. Yes, I used to skritch Ollie with foot toys and then slowly, slowly began to substitute my fingers over the space of some months. It took months as Ollie was terrified of hands. I also stroke Kobe with various things, including vegetables and fruit. :pancarta: It seems to diffuse any aggression and makes me laugh... which he finds reinforcing anyway.

Kobe used to fly to attack me too. I have found that getting angry or upset made it worse. So I do my best to avoid him at all costs when he's in that mood, and then heavily reinforce ANY other behaviour. If Rosie flies to you with that intention (and it might be worse at certain times of the year or certain times of the day) then duck or hold your hand up as if to say STOP as she approaches - she'll find it difficult to land with your hand in the way. The idea being you want to make it difficult if not impossible for her to land on you at those times. If she can't land, she can't bite. We want to get her out of this habit. At the same time keep noticing and immediately reinforcing any desired behaviour. If reinforcement for desired behaviour outweighs reinforcement for undesired behaviour, the individual will choose to do the behaviour that earns most reinforcement - ie. the desired behaviour.

Try to keep calm around her. With Kobe over excitement can lead to a flying attack... but not so much now since we've been working on it. I also find with Kobe if I approach him directly if he is on a hanging toy because I want to walk past him, he will often puff up. If I were to make eye contact, he is more likely to attack, so I avoid eye contact and keep my head down as I pass slowly as though he's not there... no reinforcement. As soon as I pass him (when I'm no longer a threat) I cue something silly, like a phrase he likes. He may repeat it or just say "huh"... but it certainly diffuses the puffy attitude... and often now when I approach him there is no puffiness. Yay!

You'll find there are certain times when she is fine on you.... for example when she was playing with that bottle cap with you. Concentrate on making those times reinforcing for her. The good times will expand and the bad times lessen. Kobe is completely trustworthy in the evenings. I make those times reinforcing for him and gradually I've found I can gently do things with him at other times, like give him a scritch with my hands before breakfast. When we first moved house and I was stressed, Kobe got into this habit of flying to attack and then later when I carried him back to his cage for meals he would bite the heck out of my arm as I put him in. After some work - had to use a hand held perch to carry him for a while - I'm now back to carrying him to his cage on my bare arm... so it is possible to change behaviour. :thumbsup:

In short: reinforce behaviour you want to see and careful not to reinforce unwanted behaviour. At the moment Rosie is finding landing on you and biting reinforcing as the behaviour is continuing. Stop access to that reinforcement now by not letting her land on you. And instead richly reinforce ANY other acceptable behaviour which has the added bonus of pairing you with good things. :)
 
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