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maisiepup

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Hi all Iv discovered a problem with my Amazon blue Jack although he’s really a she but never mind. Jack stays in our living room with me and my partner. We are foster carers to adults with learning difficulties just now so he is used to people coming and going etc but yesterday Iv had to move jack into my bedroom as we have three under 13 girls staying for a week. When Jack seen them he went bananas I’m so glad a closed his cage as usually it’s open and he’s free to do what ever but he was over excited and ended up with both legs bleeding. I think he’s bit himself in his excitement as he had blood on his beak.. down the front of both his legs… 😢 he’s now settled in my room but must be quite lonely now. Any advice welcome how I can help him not to feel like this with children. This is the second time it’s happened. I can’t fault the kids as they all said hello to him and sat on the sofa then he went batty. Like he wanted there attention I just don’t know. First parrot due to a bereavement. He lost Harry his African grey friend last year. He’s about 24 now….. thanks for reading
 
Oh dear sorry to hear this. Not something I can really advise on except while he's in your bedroom can you put a TV or radio on so he's some company and pop in there as much as you can until this can be solved . @Roz @DizzyBlue - can anyone advise please.
 
Blood spreads a lot on feathers probably looks worse.
I would think it's more likely lower down his body...beaks get bloody rooting around for the injury gravity would mean trickles down legs. Check his lower body and put some corn flour on it if it's still bleed (it's cheap from the supermarket).
Wonder why he was upset with young females unless it's bright clothing....
Yup leave him in bedroom to heal tv or radio great idea pop in from time to time to check on him.
Perhaps slowly introduce one young female at a time under calm circumstances obviously don't let him out while they are in the room for fear of attacks.

my blue front amazon (Alfred - Alfie to his pals) hates men with a passion goes straight in for kill attack mode. Throws himself at the cage trying to get out to go for them...blonde women however he turns sloppy snoggy kissy snuggle bunny!
 
Hi @maisiepup I've just read back over your first post introducing Jack and Harry - so sorry you lost Harry last year.

maisiepup said:
I can’t fault the kids as they all said hello to him and sat on the sofa then he went batty.
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So Jack was ok as each of them entered the room and said hello first? Did they go up to her to say hello or just from a distance?

Kids can be scary as they can be unpredictable and fast in their movements - I wonder if one of them moved suddenly? Or it could have been a memory of kids from before.

Pairing each of the children with something Jack finds desirable, like a treat, may help. I read in your first post that Jack likes monkey nuts. You could start with having the eldest child walk in slowly and smoothly (no fast, jerky movements, and maybe no eye contact to begin with). Jack is in her cage, whilst you are standing by her cage. As the first child walks in, you give Jack a treat. She starts to pair the yummy treat and all the good feelings that are associated with it, with that child. When she's finished eating, call the second child in (again, no fast jerky movements) and again give Jack her treat. Then call the third child in (no fast jerky movements). Treat. They are all seated on the sofa - treat!

If Jack becomes fearful/excited/aggressive (her body language changes at any time) everyone should freeze and the child back away. Wait until you have relaxed body language again and have the child move forward slower this time. Treat - this time the treat is marking Jack's relaxed body language. Then the child takes another slow step towards Jack. Relaxed body language earns another treat.

The children might like working on this with you. They are usually very perceptive and make good trainers. Just go very slowly with training/desensitising because each time Jack panics/flails around, she is learning to do it more in those circumstances.

Let us know what happens or what you decided to do.
 
Thank you for your advice I’ll try that with the girls later when they have burnt off some energy outside. We are moving onto fostering children so really need jack happy before this happens as the last thing we want is to let her down and rehome her. She’s part of the family now. Will keep you posted
 
DizzyBlue said:
Blood spreads a lot on feathers probably looks worse.
I would think it's more likely lower down his body...beaks get bloody rooting around for the injury gravity would mean trickles down legs. Check his lower body and put some corn flour on it if it's still bleed (it's cheap from the supermarket).
Wonder why he was upset with young females unless it's bright clothing....
Yup leave him in bedroom to heal tv or radio great idea pop in from time to time to check on him.
Perhaps slowly introduce one young female at a time under calm circumstances obviously don't let him out while they are in the room for fear of attacks.

my blue front amazon (Alfred - Alfie to his pals) hates men with a passion goes straight in for kill attack mode. Throws himself at the cage trying to get out to go for them...blonde women however he turns sloppy snoggy kissy snuggle bunny!
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It’s both her legs down the front. It’s scabbed over now thankfully. Jack had an incident with a workman at his last owners and iv been unable to handle her at all. Only time she will come near is for her monkey nut. She does wander about the floor now and again which has taken a long time for her to come of her cage. Her door is left open all day,When she comes down the dogs sit at the door wanting out as they know it’s her time. She’s bit us twice quite badly but both times she’s been startled so not her fault. One step forward and four back…
 
It's the steps forward that count and everyday is a do-over day.
I have been trying since 2016 to get MrP to accept me he was my engagement wing :risas3: he hates me just as much but we have work arounds for things.
I sit on the floor in front of his cage and say up. He heads to the top of the cage yelling up back at me I clean then replace everything adding a cardboard egg box with some cashews in it as his prize. He is very clever.

As long as those injuries are healing and he doesn't need the vet ... Other thing is what did he hit to cause the injury? Have a look around see if it's a toy or something that needs sorting.

you should try Roz's training threads they're excellent and I have used them slightly adapted to suit two of my birds. Alfie blind in one eye target training can be eventful he is afraid of step up sticks so I use a bell attached to help (more toy than stick)
MrP treats/bribery to get the desired result. I don't need my birds to be cuddly they just need to be happy.
 
If you get stuck with the training at any point, come back here sooner rather than later to ask questions, as when a problem arises it’s best to deal with it quickly before it becomes the bird’s new way of coping. Just take it slowly watching her body language all the time (without obviously staring). If it changes at anytime stop or back off a little before proceeding again. You are looking to reinforce her RELAXED body language, not fearful/aggressive/excited.
 
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