Parrots And Pond Safety

I don't give them chocolate every day, but if they see me eating some they'll sometimes take a bit or I give them a bit.  Like everything else, it's probably only harmful in great quantities.  Like they say alcohol is bad for us, but only if you get absolutely plastered every day.
 
Here ya go since you don't believe its fatal here's some links to documentation.... but would have thought that as you advertise as breeder of greys that you would want to ensure that all your birds are in top condition :dntknw:

Death by chocolate for one inquisitive wild parrot http://www.stuff.co.nz/184673/Greedy-parrot-suffers-death-by-chocolate

No. 6 this is by a vet http://www.exoticpetvet.net/avian/topten.html

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/5447060_Pet_bird_toxicity_and_related_environmental_concerns/file/79e4150ef7d61a88bd.pdf this is the avian vet document
 
The other addage is if you are sensitive to such a thing it can kill you straight away with anaphylactic shock.... :dntknw:
 
I know it's not fatal as my parrots don't die of it.  1st hand information beats webpages hands down.
 
science beats it hands down and since its something that builds up within the body to poisen the bird is it worth the risk?

so when your birds die do you therefore get them post mortem examined and get the vets to do a full toxicology biopsy and tell them what you were feeding? Are your birds insured if they are am sure the insurance company would revoke all payments if you were known to be feeding a known toxic feed
 
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Tell you what we have a rare breeds parrot breeder on here he's well known in his breeder circle and the species that he breeds are both selective and specialist... how about we ask Parrot797 to give us his opinion if he's online as to what he thinks to the subject?

Perhaps you would take the information onboard from him as a respected breeder rather than from myself as an ex-breeder and now just a large flock keeper and writter of guides for the general public and some of which are used for training vet students?
 
As I said before, alcohol is poisonous to us too.  Anything in moderation is fine.  I've had parrots for ten years that have eaten chocolate now and then without getting ill at all.  I never believe what I read and repeating yourself with more links is just pointless.  I believe what I see with my own two eyes.  I came on here to ask a simple question about ponds, and get all this abuse about feeding.  You lot need to grow up.
 
"Facts" which I've disproven through first hand information.  It may well be true that giving them chocolate every day is harmful, but they don't get that much.  They do eat quite a lot of crisps though.
 
I've had parrots just about all my life and when I was youngerI was brought up with them ... am about to crash through the gates at 50 I still wouldn't risk any of my birds whether they be pets or valuable breeding stock its just not worth it especially when there is so much other stuff you can feed and get a better bird raised with a better blood line
 
Well it's a compromise between what they like and what's good for them - same as with humans!  Myself, I eat TONNES of chocolate.  But I make up for it with exercise.
 
All I can think is that you have been fortunate until now unless of course some birds have died and the root cause has not been established as to why.

If you do not like the forum or what information we provide to our members to assist them in looking after their birds that's ok everybody is entitled to their opinion.

You asked I replied.

And nowhere in this thread have you been abused our only concernon this site is forthe birds whether they are pet birds or belonging to breeders we have an open door policy here to all who wish to participate.

I also provided substantiated evidence as to why my responses where as they are as many people dolike to know that what we say is backed up by proven fact, even if some of it is via things like laboratory studies of birds, vets findings, post mortems etc.

If you don't like the responses you have receive I am sure you will find another forum more to your liking if they just agree with you on anything you wish to post. 

On here we like to discuss and get to the bottom of things thereby sharing our knowledge and helping new bird keepers etc we always do so in a respectful manner at all times. Sorry if you don't like this.

Merry christmas and good luck in your search for another forum if that is what you choose to do :dntknw:   if not pull up a perch and have a chat with the other peeps on here ask their opinions :thumbsup:
 
I will leave commenting on this thread since I have obviously upset you in some way and allow somebody else to take it over :thumbsup:
 
No one is abusing you all we can do is try to convince you of the long term harm you may be doing for your bird.  Its the birds that I worry about and my thoughts are why take risks if they are not needed.  all though most of us do take some risks even with out thinking it is not something that we try to do.  having Multiple birds living in the same room has its own risks and their are some whom will not approve of what I am doing they do not have a go at me or abuse me for it but it must worry a few of them. 
 
I thought the points made were very valid.

Nobody is saying it will necessarily kill a bird straight off, but it sounds like you`re talking of a regular occurance.

I just wonder why people would take the risk.

Abuse? I`m lost, we always discuss things on this forum and share knowledge.
 
Us eating chocolate is different from birds eating chocolate. You can't really compare it.

Same as you say you give a lot of crisps - they shouldn't have salty food, as it's really hard on their kidneys and can ultimately lead to kidney failure. If you love your birds, it's really not worth the risk, when there are so many other foods to give them. Surely everyone wants to do the best for their birds and make sure they have the healthiest, longest life they can possibly have? 
 
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I view a lot of the dubious foods as akin to people smoking. Nobody can deny its dangerous and kills but there is always some exception to the rule who lives to 100 smoking 60 a day- the evidence that the odd person gets away with it does not make it safe or a good idea. damage accumulates over time- no one drops dead after half a dozen cigarettes but the odd one now and then over a long period may well kill. same with chocolate and salt- yourd be unlucky to have a pet drop dead immediatly having a bit but it will be doing unseen damage which will shorten lifespan
 
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I view a lot of the dubious foods as akin to people smoking. Nobody can deny its dangerous and kills but there is always some exception to the rule who lives to 100 smoking 60 a day- the evidence that the odd person gets away with it does not make it safe or a good idea. damage accumulates over time- no one drops dead after half a dozen cigarettes but the odd one now and then over a long period may well kill. same with chocolate and salt- yourd be unlucky to have a pet drop dead immediatly having a bit but it will be doing unseen damage which will shorten lifespan
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I agree - why give them something that you know could be bad for them - when there are so many foods which are good. 

My parrot will want my crisps and chocolate if I let him - but I give him something I know he will still like but is healthy for him. If we take a chance with our health with drinking or smoking, that's up to us. But they rely on us to make the right choices for them. 
 
There are so many things that are meant to be bad for them, it's almost impossible to avoid them all.  I just stick to giving them a variety.  If they don't want it, they won't eat it.

As for keeping birds in the same room Michael, I used to, but now keep birds of similar size together.  I've had macaws go for greys.
 
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As I said before, alcohol is poisonous to us too.  Anything in moderation is fine.  I've had parrots for ten years that have eaten chocolate now and then without getting ill at all.  I never believe what I read and repeating yourself with more links is just pointless.  I believe what I see with my own two eyes.  I came on here to ask a simple question about ponds, and get all this abuse about feeding.  You lot need to grow up.
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Anything in moderation is not fine if its known to be poisonous!!! what a stupid thing to say, you never believe what you read so will never learn, luckily for the majority of parrots out there most people will take on board well researched proven facts.....no one has abused you here and you are the one that needs to wise up for the sake of your parrots!
 
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