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Ok this is for the records…. last year all those three times she laid her eggs , I would return in the afternoon and she would always get out to say a hi to me and then she would return back to the nest. Keep this please
We last saw each other on Saturday..she did get out but got back in very quickly. On Sunday I didn’t get back home I was working Untill very late. I got home on Monday afternoon. 2 days since we last saw each other and despite the fact that I was calling for her to come out she didn’t. She ignored me and decided to stay inside the nest keeping her eggs warm.
Today I got back home on the afternoon again. After half an hour that I was talking to the male and loading the feeding bowls she decided to get out and meet me ( we haven’t seen each other for 48 hours and took her 1/2 hour to decide it and get out😳)
So I meediately got from the back door of the balcony and I bend my body walking like a snake and got to the nest without them noticing. She got 4 eggs. She started brooding on Thursday but the last egg she laid, was on Saturday. So I could search for embryos only to the 3 of them.
2 of them were infertile but on of them has those veins all around it ( Thursday to today is 4 days brooding).
They didn’t notice a thing…they didn’t see me or heard me doing what I did.

So Now they mate… they defenately mated before the delivery of the 4th egg. So they got it that they need to mate.

1. why wouldn’t they mate to all 4 of them?

2. given the fact that my little girl is laying eggs and she lays them inside the nest as she should the whole “problem” is on the male isn’t it?

She is reluctant to get out of the nest so that she would see me. Last year she would so easily get out and chatter with me for a while

4. Why is she reluctant? Can she see that she has fertile egg and she is cautious? Can she see what I see after 4 days of brooding with the lighter on? I mean when an egg is fertile can she see it too,so early? Is she reluctant because she knows her eggs are fertile and need extra attention from her or is she reluctant because last time she got out of the nest her “father” took them away and destroyed them?😓
 
@erithacus Your going to muddle your head up! Or rather they are
When mating doesn't mean its been successful even though you see them mating it can be a errrrr hit and miss affair!
It could be the egg has formed too far inside her to be made fertile or could be he isn't as fertile, could be they got interrupted Many many possibilities.
Could be late development in the egg leave them the eggs fertile or not you don't want more to be laid.
As for your friendship with the little Princess ... she's all grown up now has a partner of her very own and your not as attentive as you used to be (you let them bond) so perhaps she's got the message that her Prince is feathered and the human isn't the same species although she still holds you close to her heart .... if she didn't she wouldn't come out at all!
 
Oh and if she was worried you took the eggs away last time .... you would be reaching for the phone to ring up for an ambulance as both of them would instantly attack you. She doesn't hold that against you and perhaps thinks some thing else stole the last lot :noidea: she doesn't know for definite it was you just they were there she went out came back and they were gone ... leave them and loose them would be running in her head.
 
I will let them in their world doing their thing they want it so bad I can not interfere I don’t want to
stress them bother them or do anything bad to both of them. I want her to fulfill her cycle. I’ll let her live this fantasy she has
But she lays 4 eggs so I guess her wish is to
Have lots of chicks 🐣 to raise. Wouldn’t be very disappointing for her when just one or 2 chicks would hatch? Would she loose her interest and abandon it/them and give a try again meaning more eggs to lay? Frankly Tash she gets to that mode and the only thing in the world that matters for her is to lay more eggs

So im scared that she would loose her interest… given that she needs to create a flock, seeing only one 🐣 hatching would feel that she’s wasting her time and she would be less caring as
A mother. And then what? Am i doing a something? Or doing nothing? Should I leave the chick to die? And then block the nest? Is harsh isn’t it? If that’s what I should do, I’ll do it though 😓 but I need to be prepared psychologically so that ill accomplish what needs to be accomplished
 
If only one hatched my experience is .... It gets spoiled
I had a hen lay 6 eggs only one hatched was the fattest chick I have ever seen! They were really over protective and very proud parents.
Hopefully they will get it right rearing. If not unless you are able to rear it yourself should they not have a clue then nature would take it's course. However your male is parent reared he should try to feed it and her so keep things in order. I had a male once who's partner didn't rear I used to help him out by giving the first and last feeds if the day to the chicks. I was very lucky as he realised I was helping out and let me. I don't think he will let her abandon to be honest.
@erithacus
 
I’ve already bought a 🥄 for helping them but if I remember correctly once the chick is hatched it it needs some warmth first from its mum, once is dry and warm it stretches its neck to feed. If it’s mother doesn’t feed or if she hits and misses the target, the youngster has no more energy to push and stretch its neck it stops asking or stops opening its mouth and very quickly it dies
To other species I would interfere the very next day but never at the first day

I guess soon- if the chick finally make it and hatch- we will find out. My fear is “how would I know”? And If I do I have to help will I get there on time to save this poor thing? And will Marcus let me or will I have to fight over his chick 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
You look at the crop :)
Bulging she's fed it baggy and close to the body she hasn't
They never fill the crop right up as they know it has to be able to clear quickly into the body. If it doesn't clear that's when it gets impacted or infected
Your torch will shine through the crop and show if chick has been fed.
They last longer than you think after hatching before feeding as some of the egg contents are still inside being absorbed.
The trick is to remember when your feeding let them take the food never force also different consistency for different ages it's watery when little and as they grow the parent alters it slowly making it a little thicker. When little mum or dad feeds lots and lots of times day and night when older it becomes only when crop is empty so as it's thicker food the times get less frequent.
I once reared from moment egg hatched I didn't sleep for days I just cat napped for 15 minutes at a time after a week I was seriously in admiration of the parents and I felt like I had been in a torcher chamber!
 
Chick should hatch during the day time hours you will hear it pipping the shell calling as it hatches. Never take the none hatching eggs away little one will use them to prop itself up against them just the same as they use their siblings to prop up against. Have had eggs I thought were either dead in shell or blank (infertile) actually surprise me and hatch days after (once had one hatch 10 days after others had)
Other thing is as hard as it is to watch a chick thrown from the nest it's done for a reason the parents seem to know if there's a problem and won't invest time rearing it. I'm soft and have collected them up and reared only to find them dead two weeks later for an unknown reason. Heart breaking I don't regret it but I wish I had been prepared for it.
 
@erithacus duh forgot to tag you :BangHead:
We will cross all these bridges should we come to them.
Don't worry if eggs hatch later than you think either and if they are feeding and tending the chick/s leave them to it. Their egg their creation their child not yours :) step back observe and fingers crossed
 
I’m processing the idea of doing nothing… leaving them completely alone in this. What worries me most is that is clear to me that both of them are immature and inexperienced so the outcome is pretty sure 🤷🏻‍♂️. So, I’m already thinking the day that I’ll be telling to myself “you knew and did nothing…so shut your mouth Mr”
 
Usually as have said before first clutch is lost thereafter they have learned from the experience and do things differently.
The only time I have known success in first broods has been with parent reared first time parents. They know because they learned from mum and dad not humans.
Your birds have more than a fighting chance at being successful first time around as dad wasn't human reared he was parent reared plus he's been coaching her into all things parrot and she's learning a lot from him. He's more dominant in her life daily now rather than you. You've been working long and hard for a looooong time for her to be happy and be a bird rather than a pet that thinks she's a human. Things are heading in the more natural ways of bird life now rather than human imprinted captive. You should be proud of this achievement and theirs as well. Remember though they deal with a loss different to you so if things go wrong it can be for multiple reasons it could be the chicks weren't viable for some reason that we can't sense but they do.
 
I’m so happy watching them interact and having me there around Tash they allow me in their world . Frankly This is what I like most. I’m standing there doing things and I can feel My presence there, is like something natural to them 😍🥰 I can watch them fighting over me ( Marcus wants me to get through the things I need to do and get the hell out of there but my little princess wants me a little more so they “disagree” on me right in front of me 😂.

Today I got back again, I asked her to come
Out just once…and then I asked again after 20-30 minutes ( she knows I want to see her just to see her for a little and I’m fine. No petting just
Eye contact) and she got out and got close to me for a hi :) a short one :)
so I guess she needs a little time To think about it 🥰🥰🥰🥰 she’s such an amazing creature…..her feathers while she looks at me and that expression in her eyes 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

Well, I can understand it sounds a
Little selfish wanting her to get out but i really really want to see my birdie…and check she’s ok
And properly fed ( rensure that Our boy is doing his job properly) but if this Behavior of mine is harmful I could stop it 😓
 
Not harmful just understand that if she chooses not to its because she needs to make sure her eggs are safe and brooding them gives them the best chance. As much as she loves you those prospective children are very important to her as well and sometimes choice is difficult you or the would be kids... As long as you don't do it too often like multiple times a day or keep her out too long there shouldn't be a problem. If she rolls those eggs around too much getting in and out then the chicks will suffer.
 
In my opinion - which I know wasn't asked for, if you go get her out you may well be interfering with nature, she is at the end of the day a parrot and will be behaving naturally, this may well encourage her to abandon or as mentioned move the eggs around too much .
 
Have to say this thread always makes me smile it's been going since 2015 so nearly 9 years and now stands at 85 pages long :D started with the human imprinted babies the original Prince (bless him) and Princess, their learning, you being in a road traffic accident and sneaking out of hospital to tend to them, the Macaw rescue and rehome, the tragic loss of the Prince, moving from cage to aviary, you getting the Princess a new parent reared companion and here we are all these years later. Her having a bird mate instead of you and his tolerance to you because of her and eggs! :applaudit: You should write a book about it :) it's a real heart warming true life story.
 
Diana your point of view and any other point of view is always useful and so much appreciated :)
And is so sensible I might be a little disappointed cause is truly sensible and I do want to see her when I’m home but she’s in very good hands.
I got back home today in the afternoon and i just loaded foods and teased Marcus a little ( I can’t hold myself I’m teasing this handsome mate she has 🥰. I call him “chicken” and im inserting my fingers inside through the hole when I open the feeding bowls and out game is he tries to get me 😆😆😆. He has gotten me twice 😆😆😆😆😆. The second one was a good one 🙂🙂🙂 but I loved it :). He is very serious for my little princess he wants her so much and I adore him even though I don’t mention him alot 😝. What I get now is that if I insist on calling her ( I use in a loud tone Words that I always address to her) she will get out but if I don’t persist she won’t get out. So I’m fine with it…she hears me and chooses to stay in her eggs she verified that I’m there and am ok so I can deal with it. Actually im
Already doing it right :) I left the house and didn’t see her at all. I’ll keep doing what I did today and if she chooses to get out in her own I’ll be very happy to see my birdie :)

Tash, how can u remember all these things 🙂🙂🙂🙂 its been a journey indeed . Time goes so slowly in their world but still so many things have happened since i got those birds. I remember when I lost her. I was a complete mess. I wasn’t sleeping eating wasn’t going to work… day annd night thinking her being on her own somewhere until I found her. Still can’t believe I did find her 15-20 km away from home.
She flew on my shoulder I have this memory stamped in my mind I’ll always remember her covering my whole face and head with her wings. She had never done that before… nor did it again. She was sooooooo happy that she found me :). I got back home that night she slept on my shoulder. She shut both of her eyes and me I wasn’t moving almost not breathing for her not to wake up 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
 
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