Ziggy the IRN

ZiggyIRN

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Hello all

Started this thread initially in the welcome section but thought it would be better in here.

We got Ziggy, a 14 week old untamed IRN (not sure if male or female yet but will be referring to him/her as a he for now) 3 weeks ago.

He was initially very timid and would fly across his cage even if we walked passed it but did settle down a bit after a couple of days.

We are a family of 5 with 3 boys under 8 so Ziggy has been dropped in the deepend a little in terms of 'activity' around him but I think this jas helped his progress.

We had him in a temporary smallish (still big enough for him to stretch his wings) cage but have moved him into large one now which has made training him way easier with better access.

After some help on here we didn't let him out of his cage for the first couple of weeks and just spent some time sitting near him and talking to him.

Since we got the new cage we have now got him sitting on the backs of our hands (hes still not ready to step on properly) and taking only one ball of millet from pinched fingers. He's also been out the cage (he came straight out first time) and has, until last night, gone back in whenevetlr he was ready. Last night he decided to stay out all night until breakfast was served so thinking of changing his food times and time we let him out to give us a bit more control.

He's had a few crash landings as gets very tired very fast and had been trying to do circles of the room back to his cage so I've set up an external perch at the other side for him to fly to instead which he's way more comfortable with.

He's currently on a seed mix without peanuts and sunflower seeds and will eat most types of fruit bjt struggling with him eating veg of any kind sonany tips to help with that is welcomed.


 

Wera

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He is beautiful 😍 one of mine wasn’t keen on veggies at the beginning when I got her, what helped us was hanging pieces of broccoli, pepper and carrots on forging stick, although at first she was treating it more like a shredding toy than food 😂what she liked with no problem was steamed sweet potatoes which I used to sprinkle with her seeds mix
 

ZiggyIRN

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He is beautiful 😍 one of mine wasn’t keen on veggies at the beginning when I got her, what helped us was hanging pieces of broccoli, pepper and carrots on forging stick, although at first she was treating it more like a shredding toy than food 😂what she liked with no problem was steamed sweet potatoes which I used to sprinkle with her seeds mix
He did have a little sweet potato last week but then didn't touch it when we gave it to him a second time so I might try him again.

We've been giving him fresh food on a morning then an hour or two later a bowl of seeds then late afternoon fresh food again. Thinking of maybe changing timing or not leaving seeds in all day so he gets hungary enough to go for it.

Ziggy doesn't shread anything yet. Tried a few toys but not sure if he is too young still or should be doing it by now.
 

Michael Reynolds

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trying to give a young ringneck greens can be difficult but as the get a little older they should love all greens and veg. try to find some dandelion stems and leaves even the flower or seeds go down well, Do not pick them from roadside or public places and they are not tasty for birds once flost has got at them.
 

ZiggyIRN

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trying to give a young ringneck greens can be difficult but as the get a little older they should love all greens and veg. try to find some dandelion stems and leaves even the flower or seeds go down well, Do not pick them from roadside or public places and they are not tasty for birds once flost has got at them.
Yes I need to try him with dandelion. Not sure where to get it from near me but should be able to find it online. Pumpkin is something else I haven't tried with him yet.
 

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Yes I need to try him with dandelion. Not sure where to get it from near me but should be able to find it online. Pumpkin is something else I haven't tried with him yet.
If Ziggy is ANYTHING like Vert, it will be difficult to get pumpkin off him one he gets his beak on it. Though if Ziggy does like pumpkin it can make a really nice treat as you can make the whole pumpkin a toy for them.

As for greens try Broccoli, Vert is just over a year old herself and like pumpkin she likes the stuff. Also if the first way of giving the veg doesn't work try a diffrent way. For example Vert doesn't like dried sweetcorn, but if we get the frozen stuff (when its not ready in the garden) and cook it once its cooled down she will have it.
 

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If Ziggy is ANYTHING like Vert, it will be difficult to get pumpkin off him one he gets his beak on it. Though if Ziggy does like pumpkin it can make a really nice treat as you can make the whole pumpkin a toy for them.

As for greens try Broccoli, Vert is just over a year old herself and like pumpkin she likes the stuff. Also if the first way of giving the veg doesn't work try a diffrent way. For example Vert doesn't like dried sweetcorn, but if we get the frozen stuff (when its not ready in the garden) and cook it once its cooled down she will have it.
We are going pumpkin picking soon so will have plenty of that to try him with but he wont have brocoli. He does like corn though he's only had the dried corn in his mix. Haven't tried him with fresh corn yet so that's an idea as tbh it hadn't even crossed my mind to try him with it fresh.
 

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We've been letting him out his cage for most of the day the last few days but found when we put him in for the night he likes to play a bit.

Does anyone have any recommendations for foraging and shredding toys we can add? At rhe minute he has paper shredding ones but barely bothers with them.
 

Michael Reynolds

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foraging toys should start simple, Rap a treat in tissue and show him a few times how to get to the treat. If he/she cannot figure out how to get its treat it will get board and give up, once he has mastered the puzzle think of way to make the treat slightly harder each time.
 

Michael Reynolds

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another way to start is to place i piece of card over the food bowl so your bird will have to remove it to get his food, this can be made a little more difficult by trying one end to the cage so your bird will have to lift the card, I have had birds that poop in the water bowl and i have used this method to stop them. the card should be slightly larger than the bowl it is covering. foraging toys can be made by cutting cardboard or paper into squares or circles or even bird safe woods in short sticks, drilling a hole through the centre (i also use broken toys) and threading a chain or safe string (like the paper string or strings that are made up from short lengths and twined together) but i like to use elasticated string. wood can be coloured with food colouring to give extra brightness to any toy.
 

ZiggyIRN

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another way to start is to place i piece of card over the food bowl so your bird will have to remove it to get his food, this can be made a little more difficult by trying one end to the cage so your bird will have to lift the card, I have had birds that poop in the water bowl and i have used this method to stop them. the card should be slightly larger than the bowl it is covering. foraging toys can be made by cutting cardboard or paper into squares or circles or even bird safe woods in short sticks, drilling a hole through the centre (i also use broken toys) and threading a chain or safe string (like the paper string or strings that are made up from short lengths and twined together) but i like to use elasticated string. wood can be coloured with food colouring to give extra brightness to any toy.
I like the sound of the tissue but I've only had him a few weeks and isn't tamed yet so it might be a little difficult to get him in a position to really be able to do that one. I'm currently target training (which he got the hang of today within about 5 minutes) and getting him used to hands/fingers which again he's doing well but i do thia on the perch of his cage with the door open. Im yet to get him onto a flat surface in close quarters.

I'll give the card on the bowl a try though and see how he gets on. I ended up ordering a few things tonight as well totally different to what he has to see if he trys them.
 

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Ziggy had a bit of an ofd day Friday where he was quite timid again. We had just bought some new perches and toys for his cage and rearranged it so think that might be why.

He was back to normal again Saturday amd is now flying down from his cage to our coffee table so both kids can target train him together. He's better with the kids than he is us 😂
 

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Training still going well. He's now stepping up for everyone, spinning round on comand and even flying down to the kids to sit on their knee and shoulders.

With regards to treats for training we give him a mixture of millet and sunflower seeds. Bit worried he might be getting too much though. How much should we be looking to limit him to on a daily basis without over feeding (he's about 5 months old) ?
 

Michael Reynolds

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I am so pleased that training is going well, its a difficult question to answer as the more active your bird is the more it will be able to eat with out getting problems caused by over weight. do you weigh your bird,
 

ZiggyIRN

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I am so pleased that training is going well, its a difficult question to answer as the more active your bird is the more it will be able to eat with out getting problems caused by over weight. do you weigh your bird,
No I haven't weighed him. I have some sensitive scales so can try.

With regards to activity we open the cage aprox 9am and spend half an hour or so training then he gers his breakfast in his cage which he has to climb about for then he will usually come back out and fly a little (he tends to get tired really quickly) then he will usually have a snooze from around half 12 to 3 ish then more training again for 30 - 45 mins and a bit fly about and play then another feed in the closed cage ready for bed at half 7ish.

I wouldn't say he is really active but does spend a fair bit time training. Today he's been really sleepy but still had a good 2 hours training including jumping from person to person and target training for quite some time.

Edit: His cage is in the living room so whilst he settles for bed around half 7 im not sure how much sleep he is getting before we go to bed. It can sometimes be late, but once he's settled he doesn't move. I expect as he's still young he needs the extra sleep at the moment.
 

ZiggyIRN

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yes being under 8 months you will find they sleep more. when you manage to weigh Ziggy let us know the results
Tried to get him on the scales this morning but it has a mirrored surface so he's reluctant at the minute so will try again later and try and cover it.

He's still quite sleepy today. Currently sitting on top of his cage on one foot with his head resting on his back with his feathers fluffed up.

I know fluffed up feathers can be a sign of illness, particulary with sleepyness so a little worried although he has always fluffed up to sleep. He has still preened himself this morning, had his breakfast and had some time training (not puffed up when doing any of this) but has then gone on his cage amd puffed up. His eyes look fine and his nose has no moisture so googling suggests he could be cold.

Where I live the temp has dropped quite suddenly last few days. It's still 10-21 degrees in the room he is in currently but temp dropped so much last night the heating came on so wondering if he's got cold during the night?
 
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