winnies ankles!!

wow thank you for this long reply!
i think i was mistaken and the vet did actually recommend a complete vitamin supplement. i will make sure to get one that goes on top of food.
i do actually give her pellets. Not only pellets but a dry chop made of dried flowers, grains, herbs, seeds, dried vegetables and fruits. i mix in some tops pellets into it.
Winnie gets chop in the morning and has actually been eating it now that i put a bit pomegranate juice on it!(not that much though) i made a chop last week with 20 ingredients (herbs, spices, vegetables, grains, sprouts)
i heard about the weight problems amazons can have! i weigh winnie every day! the vet said she was a perfect weight but will lose some when weaning.
i think i can get majority of the vegetables here that you get in the uk so will be looking through some chop recipes here!
i have been giving winnie more fruit than she should be having lately but i find she won't venture very far into the chop if it doesn't have a bit of pomegranate mixed in or some juice on it.
thank you very much for the help! its very much appreciated!!
 
Sweet potatoes I can highly recommend for vitamin A well actually it's beta carotene which is the precursor for vitamin A the body makes it into that. My Amazon boys love them which makes life easier.
Dan's defo spot on with his info can't add anything or even think of anything to what he said :thumbsup:
 
If your feeding pellets, no supplements should be needed. Just speak to your vet again about this. Fruit should be a very small part of the diet. In the morning I feed my vegetables and sprouted foods, these are what I call the healthy foods. I feed 30grams of vegetables and 15g of spouted foods.

In the evening enrichment foods I feed 15 grams of soaked seeds and a soaked nut, but not every day for the nut, and just 5 grams of fruit. Fruits i think are a very important part of the diet, but unfortunately these are very high in sugars, so try and feed heirloom fruits.

Becareful when feeding fresh produce in your country, as it will spoil quickly if your environment has alot of humidity. So you probably only want to give her as much as she can eat in a hour or two.

Also when looking for chop recipes try and limited the grains more, I use a 2:1 ratio in favour of the vegetables. These birds still pick out the grains and seeds in chop, as they are programmed by nature to eat foods high in fats and proteins when available, these fill them up quickly and then they don't eat the good stuff.
 
Papaya, Sharon fruit, cantaloupe (orange) melon and mango are high in beta carotene (precursor to Vit A), but they are also high in sugar. My birds love cooked squash. A rich source of beta carotene can be found in palm nuts - Ollie my Orange-winged Amazon used to go mad for palm nuts - he was only allowed one a day. He also came to me deficient in Vit A, as did Chico and the baby Kobe. You can also get palm oil in a jar, but none of my birds will touch it. Dried goji berries are high in beta carotene - I use them as training treats for Bobbie and Chico.
 
she's great thanks!
currently molting so her feathers are a mess and being a typical baby bird and not taking great care of them :lol:
her feet are about the same but i am starting to put some coconut oil on them.
i made a chop yesterday and added sweet potatoes as you suggested! she is sort of eating it but likes to sweep most of it out the bowl:nut:

@DanAndMarley thank you for the help as well! i am cutting down on the fruit she eats and am also trying to get the hang of sprouting myself but for now am buying them. right now it is not too humid here so i am able to leave her chop (if the ingredients are all raw) out for a bit longer so she eats it.

@Roz thank you! winnie is not so keen on squash yet but i will keep offering it to her! i might try get some palm nut oil in a jar because she will probably eat it from a spoon thinking it is baby food (i have tricked her into eating other things using that method :lol:). i know i can find some goji berries here so i will get them too.
 
UPDATE!
winnies feet seem to have gotten worse, at least the one with a band on it has. now its not just her ankles but now the band is rubbing against her foot which has created the same white- yellow patch which is on the ankles, on the top of her foot.

i have been putting coconut oil on them like the vet said but its not really doing much and she hates when i do it too so i am starting to wonder if it is hurting her or if i am just annoying her when i put the oil on her feet. she is still moving around fine too.

i have also realised that she does spend a bit of time on her dowel perches. i have two. one that goes across the cage and one that goes across the top of her cage when i open the top flaps up. i have so many other kinds of perches but realised that they are all in her cage which she doesn't spend much time in. she also sits on a coat rack by the door on its thin, square perch. i have been meaning to find some branches to drill into the wall so she can sit on them in the room but haven't got to it as i have had trouble finding safe branches for her outside. she still sits on her hocks as well quite as bit. her vet comes every month here so should be here by the end of march but i just don't it do get a lot worse when waiting.

i honestly don't know if it is bumblefoot, from the pictures i have seen it does not look like it and the vet was really not very concerned by the growths. i am trying to fix my mistakes that could have caused this. the vet wrap to cover her sanded perch is on the way and i will be getting another stand for her to replace that coat hanger, i am also going to speak to my vet about removing the band, i would love some tips for making dowel perches safer as they are are big help for winnie to get across the cage as she does not like to fly in it, i am going out to look for branches from safe trees to make 'floating perches' in the room so she has more natural perches outside the cage.

i feel like it might be these little things that i have not been paying attention to that could have caused and made the growths worse. i am just a little lost on what to do and how serious it is. sorry i rambled on again!
 
That leg ring has to be removed
Think your avian vet should have done blood work to ensure it’s what they think it is
Bumblefoot is usually a sore or black circle on the underside of the foot
If it’s that then Winnie must have antibiotics
 
That leg ring has to be removed
Think your avian vet should have done blood work to ensure it’s what they think it is
Bumblefoot is usually a sore or black circle on the underside of the foot
If it’s that then Winnie must have antibiotics
ok i am going to call the avian vet near us to see if they can get it off.
she told me it was unnecessary, i had wanted one anyway just to make sure everything was ok but she said she would do one next time.
i will see what these other vets say about it too, hopefully i can get winnie an appointment today or tomorrow
 
I think the best thing is to have the leg ring removed. As it should definitely not be rubbing on the foot.

For perches, I always think natural, of different shapes and sizes are always best. If you do get some branches, make sure they come from trees that are parrot safe. Also make sure you disinfectant them too, with something like F10.

As DizzyBlue has said, maybe a blood panel would be advised to see if what's going on.

But please don't blame yourself or you have made mistakes that have caused this. This is a issue that Winnie has come with.
 
I’d definitely get that leg band cut off before the foot swells too much more. I had to do that for 2 budgies. All I can think of is gout or arthritis (which was the case for one of the budgies), but you say it is not hurting Winnie. Gout would definitely be painful if you pressed it. Maybe long term arthritis? But strange how they are swelling so fast.

Personally I would have the feet and legs x-rayed, but I don’t know how good your vet is. You can kill a bird with anaesthetic. When my birds have been x-rayed they received a whiff of gas to put them out for a very brief period of time.
 
UPDATE!!
i have been waiting for my vet to come back before i get the band cut off, i don't trust the other vets enough to do it.
she is back in my state today and we can go to her to get winnies band cut off.
She will have to use anaesthetic as it is a closed band and she said she doesn't want Winnie to move while she cuts it off.
I want to get her band off but have a few questions-
is anaesthetic dangerous? is there a chance she won't wake up?

how should i take her to the vet? its an hour and a half (or so) away and i have a metal carrier and a backpack, she doesn't go into either willingly yet but likes the backpack more, however i don't really want her first experience in the backpack a bad one.

how can i make the drive easier? she has never been on one with us and never been on one this long. should i give her ginger tea before we go? should i cover her carrier? should i put food and toys in it?

how important is her band? i will eventually be going back to the uk with winnie and don't know if i will need the band (i will keep it anyway) for travelling. can i microchip her instead? i would also like to get a custom band with my name and phone number for her. she will also free fly eventually so will need one of these things, my mentor said that birdbands.com custom makes bands which are great.

how long will it take for the anaesthetic to take full affect and how long will it take for her to recover from it? when i get home should i put her straight to sleep (it will be 5-6pm by then) or should i spend time with her and give her her formula?

should i be there when Winnie is being anaesthetised? will she connect me to that bad experience or should i be there for comfort?

i trust my vet and think she is very good and knowledgeable but would like to know the risks and just how to go about the whole thing. i will ask my vet this too. i have to decide whether or not to take her band off today as the vet is going back to her state tomorrow and wont be able to see winnie for a while.
thanks!
 
As with anaesthetic with all animals and people there is always a risk, which the vet will likely explain to you. Yes you would need her to be micro chipped which the vet may do at the same time. As for coming back to UK please check quarantine regulations which Winnie may well be subject to plus official paperwork that is required.
I would not give her ginger teat first, she could be sick. The anaesthetic soon works and she will be a little groggy for a short while afterwards. My late B/F Amazon plus one of my smaller birds a Senegal have both needed anaesthetic in the past and both recovered well and pleased to see me and hear a voice they knew.
You will have to decide which is the best carrier for her to travel in, but keep chatting to her, many do not eat or drink while travelling.
Do keep us up to date I am sure all will be okay.
 
No food no water for up to two hours before anaesthetic as DianaT said.
That way nothing to be regurgitated while coming around which is a massive issue for birds.
One of my birds reacts bad to having gas and this information from my avian vet was a god send when I moved to his practice.
I still think that bloods need to be done to get to the bottom of what is going on and rule out anything else. Might be an ideal time to do it and have a full thorough mot.
@winnie the amazon
 
As with anaesthetic with all animals and people there is always a risk, which the vet will likely explain to you. Yes you would need her to be micro chipped which the vet may do at the same time. As for coming back to UK please check quarantine regulations which Winnie may well be subject to plus official paperwork that is required.
I would not give her ginger teat first, she could be sick. The anaesthetic soon works and she will be a little groggy for a short while afterwards. My late B/F Amazon plus one of my smaller birds a Senegal have both needed anaesthetic in the past and both recovered well and pleased to see me and hear a voice they knew.
You will have to decide which is the best carrier for her to travel in, but keep chatting to her, many do not eat or drink while travelling.
Do keep us up to date I am sure all will be okay.
i'm sure she will.
i will ask if she can get microchipped as well
i am looking at this form for bringing pet birds into the uk and cant see anything about the band except you have to have an identification number, i don't really know what that is for winnie if we take her band off? https://assets.publishing.service.g...EU_countries_2007-25_GBHC058X_v2.1_Jul-21.pdf
but thats getting a little off topic and i might ask my vet if she knows.
good to know, i wont give her the tea.
i will be with winnie if i can when she wakes up.
thanks for the help and i will keep everyone updated.
the vet is only coming in tonight so it will be tomorrow if we see her.
 
No food no water for up to two hours before anaesthetic as DianaT said.
That way nothing to be regurgitated while coming around which is a massive issue for birds.
One of my birds reacts bad to having gas and this information from my avian vet was a god send when I moved to his practice.
I still think that bloods need to be done to get to the bottom of what is going on and rule out anything else. Might be an ideal time to do it and have a full thorough mot.
@winnie the amazon
i will make sure to keep all food and water away if we go to the vet tomorrow
i agree that one should be done, i assume the vet can take a blood test when winnie is anaesthetised, if thats not how it works im sure she can take one while winnie is awake, and the vet can look at her ankles again.
thank you!
 
I am no expert on importing birds into the UK, but I would imagine the bird would have to be closed ring, or a microchip. Definitely keep the ring, also any receipts of purchase for Winnie, and veterinary care.

For Marley and my tortoises I keep records for each and every individual animal in my care in a ring binder. This includes all receipts, for purchase, veterinary care, records of any blood work and test results, and certificates for the tortoises.

If she doesn't like the pet carrier that you use, try and make sure you give yourself plenty of time to get her in there. Marley is not to keen on his travel cage, but he loves the car ride, saying hello to every person and vehicle we pass. Its a bit late now, but train her to use her travel cage in the future, as this is really handy in this type of situation or an emergency.
 
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