winnies ankles!!

winnie the amazon

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what on earth is going on with her ankles?
i have posted this on different forums and facebook and have sent the pictures to my vet who is coming on monday. some people think its tumors, arthritis, chicken pox, some kind of growth, masses, lots of people said it was her band but she has it on both legs so its not that.
but she isn't limping at all and when i put a bit of pressure on them she didn't flinch or seem like she was in any pain.
she has had this for a few weeks now and i tried putting some coconut oil on them to help the dryness but it didn't do much
she does have different kinds of perches, only one dowel and the rest are natural and rope. i do have one sanded window perch but she doesn't go on it too much.
she has a good diet. she is only five months old so is still weaning but eats chop, dry chop and formula 3 times a day (i know its a lot for a 5 month old but i don't want to force her)
i have looked around on the internet but all that comes up is gout and bumble foot but it doesn't look like either.
i am not sure what i did wrong, i can't think of anything. i have only had her for a month and a half and i thought i was pretty prepared but i am lost on what this is.
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dianaT

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:welcome: to you and Winnie, she is gorgeous. cannot say I've come across this before lets see what our member think @DizzyBlue
any one please. I guess it doesn't bother her and likely it's a deformity which could be best left well alone. Hope your vet is an avian vet?
 

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:welcome: to you and Winnie, she is gorgeous. cannot say I've come across this before lets see what our member think @DizzyBlue
any one please. I guess it doesn't bother her and likely it's a deformity which could be best left well alone. Hope your vet is an avian vet?
thank you! my vet is an avian vet. one of the only ones i can find here and lives about 36 hours by car away which is why i haven't taken Winnie to the vet sooner! there is a vet near me which looks at birds, but isn't very knowledgeable, but if it comes to it i can take winnie there for things like x rays which my vet can't do when she travels :)
 

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Looks like its an infection to me with that swelling and will require antibiotics and that leg ring removing so that the blood flow isn't constricted - only your vet can take it o it requires a special ring cutting removal tool.
Antibiotics will take approximately 48 hours to take effect so once started on them will take a ay or two until you see any improvement.
 

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This is a photo of a bird that came to live with me quite some time ago and this was an infection she had in her leg (thigh and stomach area) back in 2012 - she's a nudist so easy to see what was going on. Can you see how its inflamed and wrinkled?
She had a course of antibiotics for two weeks and an anti inflammatory cream that was called flamazine specially developed for humans with sever burns apparently but once the skin was cleaned and then that was applied as a barrier and as an inflammation remover combine with strong antibiotics she made a complete recovery shortly afterwards.

Go to the avian vet and have a thorough check up done have that ring removed and if your bird has a pet passport then you will need to get that updated and a microchip inserted to cover the removal of the leg ring but way after all this has settled down and sorted itself out.

Your ammie looks like its a happy little soul regardless o human slave worrying themselves grey .... not uncommon with these little rascals who rule our life!

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She/he is also perching oddly with the back two toes splayed apart and using the elbow to rest on by the looks of things so the sooner that leg ring goes the better.
I take it you have had a look on the underside of the foot and checked that there isn't any bumblefoot?
anyways regardless of that going to an avian vet can have the lot addressed in one fell swoop.
 

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Looks like its an infection to me with that swelling and will require antibiotics and that leg ring removing so that the blood flow isn't constricted - only your vet can take it o it requires a special ring cutting removal tool.
Antibiotics will take approximately 48 hours to take effect so once started on them will take a ay or two until you see any improvement.
oh that sounds about right! makes much more sense than some other suggestions (i was very worried by the suggestion of tumors!).
i will get the ring taken off as soon as i can!
 

winnie the amazon

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This is a photo of a bird that came to live with me quite some time ago and this was an infection she had in her leg (thigh and stomach area) back in 2012 - she's a nudist so easy to see what was going on. Can you see how its inflamed and wrinkled?
She had a course of antibiotics for two weeks and an anti inflammatory cream that was called flamazine specially developed for humans with sever burns apparently but once the skin was cleaned and then that was applied as a barrier and as an inflammation remover combine with strong antibiotics she made a complete recovery shortly afterwards.

Go to the avian vet and have a thorough check up done have that ring removed and if your bird has a pet passport then you will need to get that updated and a microchip inserted to cover the removal of the leg ring but way after all this has settled down and sorted itself out.

Your ammie looks like its a happy little soul regardless o human slave worrying themselves grey .... not uncommon with these little rascals who rule our life!

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oh wow i didn't know it could look like that!
the vet is coming on monday! and i will ask if she can bring the tools to get the ring off.
i will also ask about the microchip because i have never heard of a parrot getting one here.
she is a happy little soul and i'm sure she is laughing at me for getting all worked up about this and every little thing that goes wrong!
thank you for the help!
 

winnie the amazon

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She/he is also perching oddly with the back two toes splayed apart and using the elbow to rest on by the looks of things so the sooner that leg ring goes the better.
I take it you have had a look on the underside of the foot and checked that there isn't any bumblefoot?
anyways regardless of that going to an avian vet can have the lot addressed in one fell swoop.
i did look at her underside of her foot and it looks fine.
what kind of thing causes this infection (if it is an infection)?
i don't think she had it when i got her. so it must be something on my side.
 

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In my parrots case we didn't find out how it appeared but the main thing was to make it go away! Don't be fretting there's something you have done our feathered companions can really really be a pain in the butt became they are mischief makers they can get into all sorts of trouble by knocking themselves sticking toes in things they shouldn't be trying to eat things that are not edible. If you have never owned one of these before.... I give it a year before you notice you have more grey hairs than you started out with :lol: just like the rest of us.
microchip is tiny usually embedded in the chest muscle but don't have it done until all of the current issue is sorted that leg ring has to come off though make sure you keep it for information.
We worry because we love them and care. Nothing silly or wrong with that.
 

winnie the amazon

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thank you for the reassurance, is so nice to hear and i sometimes need reminding that i can't control some things (i feel like a single mother with a toddler sometimes!) i am sure i will have a full head of grey hair soon:nut:.
i will wait a bit for the chip, and will make sure to keep the band!
 

DizzyBlue

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Oh one thing after your avian vet has seen your bird and you get a diagnosis and your feathered friend is on the mend.... All the places you posted on asking if anybody else has seen this ...do people a favour and give an update that way anybody else looking in future and worrying themselves poorly maybe able to gain comfort they are not the only one who is/has gone through was and what to do. Share the love by sharing the information :)
 

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UPDATE!
the vet came today and saw winnie.

she said it was Hyperkeratosis, just build up of dead skin. its not hurting her at all, it might be caused by some kind of vitamin deficiency, she said her band rubbing on her leg may have also caused it. but said the band was loose and a good size and if it did get worse she would have to put winnie under anaesthetic and cut it off. she said to put some coconut oil or aloe vera on the build up from time to time to try and break it down.
she also told me to get a vitamin supplement to put into her diet and gave me some omega oil (not really related to the feet thing just for general health).

so it was a really great visit, i loved the vet, winnie didn't really, she didn't appreciate being toweled but she has a swab test and fecal test so we can see if she has any infections or diseases.

i have read about Hyperkeratosis and others have said its because of a vitamin A deficiency but she's only a baby and hasn't had much from formula and a little bit of chop (still weaning) so i don't think i could have helped it, but please say if i could have.

i have also heard not to give Vitamin A supplements because you can over do it but she's not going to eat those vegetables high in vitamin A consistently or even at all for a little bit i don't think (i will see if she does when i offer them to her and will keep trying if she doesn't). so i would like to give her a supplement like the vet said, does anyone else give them to their birds too? i definitely don't want to give her too much.

thanks for the help everyone!

winnie is currently being spoiled after a scary first vet visit and got lots of treats and toys.
 

DanAndMarley

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First of all don't think that you have done anything wrong.

Vitamin A deficiency is a very common problem in amazon parrots. If this is the problem, its had nothing to do with what you have done, probably more to do with how the breeder has feed the parent birds and what they raised the chicks on.

I do use a vitamin supplement myself, which is a powder that is mixed in with the vegetables that I give for the first feeling of the day.

Please don't just give your bird a vitamin A supplement, this could lead to a overdose of vitamin A. Go back to your avian vet and ask if she can recommend a complete avian supplement that Contains all the vitamins and minerals that your amazon will want. Also try and get a powder that goes on top of the food, and not in the water. As if you are feeding alot of fresh foods the bird will get most of their moisture from the food, and drink very little.

There are also formulated foods available for parrots that are designed to meet your parrots nutrition needs. These are to be feed the largest part of the diet, and the smallest part would be the enrichment part of the diet. If you decided to feed a formulated parrot pellet, then you don't need to use supplements at all, as these are all ready in the pellet.

I don't feed pellets myself anymore, as I have chosen to feed a whole food diet that consists of vegetables, fruits, sprouted seeds, grains, pulses, soaked seeds and nuts.

Vegetables and sprouted foods should be the largest part of the diet, and any foods that are high in carbohydrates and fats should be the smaller proportion of the diet.

The most important thing with amazon's is to watch their weight as they are very good at storing fats and becoming over weight.
So if possible it's a good idea to weigh the bird once a week and keep a record of there weight. You will find that the weight will change thoughout the year very slightly. I find my yellow crown amazon is a heavier weight over the winter period, I think this is due to he's body storing more fats to keep warmer in the winter months. If your bird looses alot of weight then you know that they are ill.

With feeding vegetables I would ask your vet what they recommend feeding, that is high in vitamin A. As I am sure that there will be a lot of different vegetables available in India that are not commonly available in the UK. With the diet the more different kinds of foods you feed the better chance you will have of offering a complete and balanced diet thoughout the year. Just to give you an idea of the range of vegetables, leafy greens and herbs I feed each week is around 25 different ones. I only feed two to three different fruits a week, and a selection of seeds, and only offer these in a very small quantity.

Regards Dan.
 
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