Timneh grey destroying feathers

Sarah-Jane

Alice in Parrotland
Regular Member
Hello all,

following on from the other post, I just thought I would start a thread about Alfie’s feathers.
A bit of background, Alfie is a TAG, 13 years old and he’s owned me since he was 12 weeks old.
he shares his cage with Casper ( CAG) and is a busy little bee , all the time. He has no fear, nothing has ever phased him and in 2013 he had to have 2 toes amputated due to his curiosity. He has always had perfect feathers as has Casper.

Last Sunday, when I got up, there was some down/ dust on the floor near their cage. Now, this sometimes happens if they have flapped in the night. My immediate thought was oh they’ve had a night fright and I didn’t hear them. I checked them all over and nothing was amiss so didn’t think anymore of it. On Monday, there were feathers on the bottom of the cage.
After work on Monday, the boys had their playtime with me out of the cage and Alfie is happy, lively, playing etc no behaviour change. I was even following him around the room taking pictures of poop! ( all normal)
Tuesday, I phoned the vet but was advised to go for a telephone consultation due to them having having cases of avian flu within a 10 mile radius of the surgery. They booked me in for Friday.
between Tuesday and Friday, I’ve done all the usual things. I’ve been spraying him daily and keeping a close eye on when he does it to see if there’s a pattern.
he doesn’t do it when wet, or at night. Tuesday there were feathers on the bottom of the cage when I got home from work, but not all whole ones. They’ve been snipped. Wednesday to Friday, no feathers at all.
spoke to the vet on Friday and he again, went through everything you’d expect. I’m going to put them back on Harrison’s at his request ( they’ve had it on and off over the years but don’t like it!) I’ve always tried to feed a food diet, they have parrot mash/ chop, lentils, fruit and a little bit of AS30. I’ve never fed ‘human food’ or anything like sunflower seeds or monkey nuts.
yesterday, I decided to stop being so anxious about it because it’s making me ill with worry and I don’t want him picking up on it. That was until last night when I found about 5 or so snipped feathers ( he’d been so good all day!)
Neal and I have been through everything we can think of. Saturday night ( last week just before it started), as we were going to bed there was a massive bang. So loud it made me jump and I actually waited to listen to see if the birds startled. I said to Neal I can’t believe they didn’t react as it was our gate been blown open by the wind and their room is next to our gate. Could that of been enough to freak/ spook him? As it was then Sunday morning it started.
Also, Percy our rosella who we lost in October was very close to Alfie in particular, so much so Alfie mimics his noise. I did realise that Percy’s cage was outside waiting to be sorted and it is in their eye line near the window. Could it be he’s picked up on the cage and no Percy and he’s realised he’s not coming back? It was about 5/ 6 weeks ago so would it take that long for a reaction?
could Alfie be hormonal? He is DNA sexed male.

My biggest dilemma is what to do about the vet. They have said that they can suggest things but ultimately cannot diagnos without seeing/ testing. Which I know is obvious. My problem is, Alfie hasn’t been to the vet for a few years. My vet is 2 hours away and I’m really concerned the journey and visit will stress him more. Added to the fact they have said about avian flu. Now anyone that knows me knows that, if I need to, I would take him there today. I’m just trying to weigh up the best decision.
should I , wait one more week, implement the changes that I am ( I’ve bought a new uv bulb for lamp, Harrison’s food, Nutrobal, aloe Vera juice to add in spray, new toys ) and see what happens? There’s a part of me that feels if it was medical, there would be other symptoms? But of course I don’t want to leave it either. I just want to do what is right for Alfie.
sorry for long post, just trying to give as much information as possible. I have pics but can’t work out how to add them at the mo!
 
Defo snipped not plucked.
Alfie stop that you're upsetting your mum :watchout:
interesting it's body not wings or legs.
I want to go for humidity as would have expected if it was stress of the loss of dear Percy that was October we're now just into December hmm would have thought it would have started straight away or within 10 days....
 
Do you know, I think you may be on to something.
move sat and thought about it and the times he’s done it has been when the heating is on.
this afternoon I’m giving the cages an extra steam clean so I’ve got the steamer on and no heating and he’s not scratched that I’ve seen…
 
I try to keep the humidity around 60%, but I would imagine that it changes thoughout the day, with cooking etc.

The other thing I was thinking about is have you tried giving Alfie avian tea for plucking birds? I know that teas have been used in zoos in Germany for many years for different disorders.
 
Hun I'm very sorry for the loss of your Rosella. :rainbow:

I know your angst re the plucking so sending a hug. Have you tried TOPs? AV cannot argue with them although they all push Harrison's.
Reading your text I would move the old cage, secure the gate (ty got me thinking about ours), put a couple of bowls of clean water out to help with humidity, one of the florists sprayers are brill for misting and could make a nice stocking filler ;).

Your AV will have not a lot to go on and will poss throw the book at testing so if it were me I would wait and see after doing the little tweeks. Keep a diary if necessary it is amazing how we forget those little things that happen through the day.

Relax hun, update us how things are though :)
 
@DanAndMarley thank you. I didn’t know about avian tea where can I get that?

@plumsmum thank you so much :) I had forgotten about TOPs so deffo worth a try. Yeah I know what you mean, I know that no vet can diagnose without seeing/ testing , but I was hoping that the £50 phone call would of been a bit more advice on things to try for 2 weeks first like you lovely people have all suggested. Instead he just told me to buy Harrison’s and that testing was very expensive but that I should do it. I’ve taken your advice and secure the gate, moved the cage, I’ve got a dehumidifier and I’ve been misting him. I almost don’t want to say it for fear of jinxing but the last 2 days he hasn’t done it as much…. Just a couple of fluffy white down feathers …. Xx
 
Boyfriend gets teas for our parrots at Polly’s Natural Parrot Boutique… I think Northern Parrots has some too but he said Polly Boutique has same ones and cheaper… funny thing about tea in here… it happened I accidentally drank it… came from work found tea in a mug in the kitchen thought sweet he made cup of tea… look he gave when I said I like this new tea…🤣
 
You might have problem getting your hands on Tops pellets at the moment, there is some supply issues and all UK retailers are out.., apparently they are supposed to have them in stock soon but nobody gave me exact date…keep checking website they’re saying…
 
Not absolutely not! Ignore that. I’m increasing humidity apparently by putting moisture in the air so I have a humidifier. Gosh you learn something everyday and my brain is fried… humidity is water isn’t it :BangHead:
 
Yes humidity is how much damp / wet is carried in the air.
You got the right one and that's all that matters :thumbsup:
To remove it you decrease it hence dehumidifier (de as in decreased) is an easier way to remember it.
 
Polly’s Natural Parrot Boutique is probably the best supplier of avian teas, but I would have a good look around online and see if their are other options, in case your bird does not like that one. Try and look for the ones with the most organic ingredients in.
 
I usually grab a few from Holand and Barrett when they do those offers ..... there's a list on forum this is the part of the quote you require for safe teas to look out for to use.

Tea varieties suitable for parrots - always a controversial subject but listed are some herbal alternatives
Decaffeinated black, green or white tea in small quantities - check the information on the box to make sure it is decaffeinated using CO2 or/and water method, rather than using ethyl acetate. Organic teas are decaffeinated using the CO2/water method so best stick with those.

Chamomile tea
Calendula tea
Dandelion tea
Fennel tea
Ginger tea
Hibiscus tea (make it weak or give in small quantities, can lower blood pressure).
Linden tea
Nettle tea
Peppermint tea
Raspberry leaf tea
Rooibos tea
Rosebuds tea
 
I don't like doing this and really think you have enough to work through atm hun but keep half an eye open to it being hormones. I hate doing this as it does seem to be the 'bandwagon' most jump on as an excuse for basically anything tbh. You can buy dried ingredients from good wholefood suppliers online for making tea. I do this for my 'Itchy, Scratchy, Bitey' one. I use things like Chamomile, Raspberry leaves, calendula, dandelion etc.

Wow £50 for a tel appointment o_O
 
Thank you @plumsmum I am considering hormones to be honest and I even wondered how likely it is that his DNA sexing was wrong when he was a chick … him and Casper who he lives with (CAG) we’re getting very fruity last night…

yeah £50 . I knew there would be a consultation fee but I thought maybe £35. This is now the third day he’s not done anything to his feathers and he’s stopped scratching…
 
You can do DNA yourself, there are kits online, never done this myself so maybe others can vouch for it's reliability? Do they share a cage hun? If so would separate work, even just for night time? They could just be feeding off one another? One is a bit high on the hormones front and encourages that behaviour in the other? Distraction and plenty to do hun if possible. It is remember normal just somewhat undesirable in our homes as it leads to other problems. Remember if this is some of the issue then it can last 'weeks'. A diary is a real boon expecially this time next year and you think when did such and such happen?

Great news re the feathers hun, perhaps the higher humidity suits him?
 
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