Rosella - are they unhappy caged, better in aviary?

I've think you've made huge progress in the last month which i would consider is a pretty short amount of time. Maybe you can break the seeds or find treats that are more difficult to get into.... cardamom pods are the no 1 favourite here this week.šŸ˜„
 
I will try cardamom pods! He does enjoy chillies and I got a huge bag of them from Scarlettā€™s parrot essentials. Iā€™m happy for those to go in his food or the foraging box.

For training, he gets smaller seeds (or I got one of those seed bars and he can get a munch from one) but itā€™s just too many other seeds to encourage foraging! Iā€™m wondering would he be as motivated if they were pellets in thereā€¦ probably notā€¦

Thank you for the encouragement, I might just be too blind to see the progress! For my end, I can tell heā€™s happier and more occupied, which makes me happy!! Heā€™s just marched himself back in his cage for a drink and is staying in there preening even though the door is open for him to come out. Will probably get him a fresh bath.

Have discovered, may be a fluke but will further test, he is so calm when the vacuum is on šŸ˜‚ Saturday is deep cleaning day and he came out but was still yelling, wasnā€™t that interested in training, but once I turned it on he hopped over to his foraging box to play? I clean some more, then vacuum again, he goes back to play!! Have stuck the air purifier on in the interim but itā€™s not as loud haha.
 
Could he maybe like soft wood like balsa, sola, willow or cork? In here Blu is lazy beak as we call herā€¦ she loves toys from soft wood only exception is every breeding season she will chew on her perches but even then will not touch any toy made of hard wood
 
Could he maybe like soft wood like balsa, sola, willow or cork? In here Blu is lazy beak as we call herā€¦ she loves toys from soft wood only exception is every breeding season she will chew on her perches but even then will not touch any toy made of hard wood
I think I got some toys with soft/medium wood for him to try (will have to check and get back to you) itā€™s actually getting his beak to chew it and realise ā€œoh maybe I like this!ā€ And he WILL chew on his regular wood perches (the ones that come when you buy the cage, I never use them except to move him round) that Iā€™ve had to vet tape them. But no, letā€™s ignore the actual wood toys!

If you have any recommendations of specific soft wood toys to try, send the links my way!
 
I'm going to be really controversial here and say something completely left field ... a friend... perhaps a budgie or another cockatiel.... :rolleyes: when your not there there is somebody there... they are flock creatures by nature. At the moment you are the "flock"

and this is where I duck and run off in to hiding :lol:
 
I'm going to be really controversial here and say something completely left field ... a friend... perhaps a budgie or another cockatiel.... :rolleyes: when your not there there is somebody there... they are flock creatures by nature. At the moment you are the "flock"

and this is where I duck and run off in to hiding :lol:
Haha itā€™s fine it was already a recommendation! The thing is, he still did all this behaviour when I had my cockatiel (and the yelling even started irritating the ā€˜tiel towards the end!!). They were never friendly with each other, really, and were in separate cages.

I considered another rosella friend for him, maybe a hen so they donā€™t fight, in the same cage (although I would need to then watch out for breeding!!) but Iā€™m not sure I personally have the will and energy for not one but TWO boisterous birdiesā€¦
 
TV?
My double yellow headed amazon is a tv addict so if I go out he would yell the house down and they really are loud but when I go out I put the tv on and he happily sits watching all sorts of stuff seems to like anything but sport :noidea:
 
TV?
My double yellow headed amazon is a tv addict so if I go out he would yell the house down and they really are loud but when I go out I put the tv on and he happily sits watching all sorts of stuff seems to like anything but sport :noidea:
Like me then!! I canā€™t tell if the radio encourages him yelling, or keeps him entertained. We do have a TV though, I could try it.

I also worry that I could just get a second bird and they BOTH yell and now itā€™s twice the ear damage!!

He has gotten better too, and is happier, Iā€™m just struggling with when I am not around that he kicks off. Iā€™ve found a local parrot boarding place that I am going to try for my next away trip, around Christmas probably, there are other birds in the room (separate cages obviously) so I would be interested to hear how he would get on in there. They also do day-care!

As Wendy pointed out he has made progress so I might just need more patience? And keep trying other things.
 
I am out after lunch here (got my nails done!) and havenā€™t come home yet, but have left the radio on low-ish and kept the air purifier running, his foraging box in his cage with puzzle ball, bath as an option. I was worried he was kicking off but Iā€™m still out and my partner reports he has simply been doing happy clucks.

So he is improving! And hearing the happy clucks makes ME happy and less worried/stressed about him. Could be a fluke with the white noise of the air purifier but I will just try anything!
 
White noise does help, when I am cooking I know that I'd I have the cooker fan on and Dora is sitting in one of her usual places (usually she likes to sort in a cupboard), she won't budge until the fan is turned off.
 
I'm going to be really controversial here and say something completely left field ... a friend... perhaps a budgie or another cockatiel.... :rolleyes: when your not there there is somebody there... they are flock creatures by nature. At the moment you are the "flock"

and this is where I duck and run off in to hiding :lol:
Do you think he *needs* another friend? Orā€¦ another bird I guess. Like I said, my cockatiel never wanted to be buddies with him! But I wouldnā€™t want him to be sad, or lonely :(
 
White noise does help, when I am cooking I know that I'd I have the cooker fan on and Dora is sitting in one of her usual places (usually she likes to sort in a cupboard), she won't budge until the fan is turned off.
I donā€™t know how you manage having such free roaming around the house especially when cooking!! My guys would have been up on top of the cupboards and probably fallen behind them or this one would have chewed some important wiring!! I would never be able to focus, can just about cope with him damaging the one room šŸ˜‚
 
It was just a passing thought if all else fails.
I have one African Grey female who hates birds she prefers humans she gets really peed off with my other Grey's and Amazon's she really doesn't do well with a bird flock she prefers the human one.
Each bird is an individual we just have to figure out what their needs are :) you've already had a lot of success I would keep going on your current path
 
I donā€™t know how you manage having such free roaming around the house especially when cooking!! My guys would have been up on top of the cupboards and probably fallen behind them or this one would have chewed some important wiring!! I would never be able to focus, can just about cope with him damaging the one room šŸ˜‚
I usually have her in my sight, or know exactly where she is...... not that it stops her being an opportunist if I leave my phone, purse, handbag, books etc laying around šŸ˜
 
It was just a passing thought if all else fails.
I have one African Grey female who hates birds she prefers humans she gets really peed off with my other Grey's and Amazon's she really doesn't do well with a bird flock she prefers the human one.
Each bird is an individual we just have to figure out what their needs are :) you've already had a lot of success I would keep going on your current path
Iā€™d also like to continue on and see where we get - he can be aggressive and cage territorial too so I donā€™t know how heā€™d get on with someone else in there with him!

I was pleased with yesterday all in all, despite asking for any more advice on either reducing yelling or increasing self play (still not sure which is better/easier to implement!). Will try more complicated treats like cardamom pods! And see what wood I got for these toys, and perhaps seek something softer. I told him he was a really good boy that day when it was bedtime because truly he was!

Am also thinking about reframing it because right now the screaming agitates me, like I am failing him or he is lonely or bored. But Iā€™m sure dog owners have to deal with noisy periods (regardless of how well trained the dogs are) and they have to take their dogs out for walks daily much like we have to make time to interact and play directly with our birds (to mitigate yelling, and also obviously for their wellbeing!).
 
The first time I did have to split a cardamom pod to show Dora what was in there. She likes black cardamom pods too, but isn't keen on star anise.
 
Both parrots here have happy screaming sessions as we call itā€¦ they sit with their legs up and screamā€¦ Bluey used to be particularly bad with this kind of behaviour but it reduced significantly now ā€¦ I mean we are glad they are happy but would prefer they would not let know everyone know about their happiness šŸ˜‚
 
Both parrots here have happy screaming sessions as we call itā€¦ they sit with their legs up and screamā€¦ Bluey used to be particularly bad with this kind of behaviour but it reduced significantly now ā€¦ I mean we are glad they are happy but would prefer they would not let know everyone know about their happiness šŸ˜‚
Oh the EXCITED screams sure are something else. Sometimes if he sees a magpie outside (or if they antagonise him!!) itā€™s just a cacophony. Absolutely no stopping it.

He gave a tiny nibble of one of his new chew toys, and I noticed him having fun in the foraging box even without lots of treats in there. Baby steps!!
 
Hello all, I hope itā€™s ok to keep posting updates and asking for advice!

Been a stressful time at home in general and I just get so anxious now when I hear his calling. When I wake up I am anxious waiting for him to kick off (although I hope I havenā€™t jinxed it again, that has gone MUCH better now that we are being more strict with daylight hours and being covered fully, he doesnā€™t actually do it any more).

My partner says I am obsessing over it. Iā€™ve gotten him so many more toys and we are making some progress with them. He is getting better with target training. He loves chilli pepper!!

But I worry I am failing him, that he is screaming from boredom or stress or frustration, or just being alone. He canā€™t be elsewhere in the house as we have a cat, the door canā€™t stay open because of the same reason.

Has anyone else felt this way? What have they done about it? :( like I said I really donā€™t think heā€™d get on with another bird, but every time I hear him yelling I feel anxiety and guilt.

There have been improvements - he rarely yells in the evening any more; when he does itā€™s often just because he wants the radio turned off. I think he likes the white noise of the air purifier so that is on a lot now!! His attention can be redirected when I know Iā€™m taking a call. In general heā€™s quite content in the afternoon and doesnā€™t yell (unless birds outside set him off!). He loves his foraging box (to the point now that heā€™s ignoring his pelletsā€¦ if thereā€™s less/no seeds in the box, he might eat some of the pellets, but then it doesnā€™t keep him occupied. Catch-22). Got him some apple bark sticks, and dried corn cobs that heā€™s had before; he can strip the sticks, and mainly plucks the corn pieces off but sometimes eats them. Again itā€™s just keeping that beak busy!

And yet when I hear him yelling, itā€™s just setting off anxiety in me. He wants company, but I canā€™t give that to him 24/7. Or Iā€™m projecting reasons for the calling and itā€™s not any of those but I still FEEL that way!
 
Hello all, I hope itā€™s ok to keep posting updates and asking for advice!

Been a stressful time at home in general and I just get so anxious now when I hear his calling. When I wake up I am anxious waiting for him to kick off (although I hope I havenā€™t jinxed it again, that has gone MUCH better now that we are being more strict with daylight hours and being covered fully, he doesnā€™t actually do it any more).

My partner says I am obsessing over it. Iā€™ve gotten him so many more toys and we are making some progress with them. He is getting better with target training. He loves chilli pepper!!

But I worry I am failing him, that he is screaming from boredom or stress or frustration, or just being alone. He canā€™t be elsewhere in the house as we have a cat, the door canā€™t stay open because of the same reason.

Has anyone else felt this way? What have they done about it? :( like I said I really donā€™t think heā€™d get on with another bird, but every time I hear him yelling I feel anxiety and guilt.

There have been improvements - he rarely yells in the evening any more; when he does itā€™s often just because he wants the radio turned off. I think he likes the white noise of the air purifier so that is on a lot now!! His attention can be redirected when I know Iā€™m taking a call. In general heā€™s quite content in the afternoon and doesnā€™t yell (unless birds outside set him off!). He loves his foraging box (to the point now that heā€™s ignoring his pelletsā€¦ if thereā€™s less/no seeds in the box, he might eat some of the pellets, but then it doesnā€™t keep him occupied. Catch-22). Got him some apple bark sticks, and dried corn cobs that heā€™s had before; he can strip the sticks, and mainly plucks the corn pieces off but sometimes eats them. Again itā€™s just keeping that beak busy!

And yet when I hear him yelling, itā€™s just setting off anxiety in me. He wants company, but I canā€™t give that to him 24/7. Or Iā€™m projecting reasons for the calling and itā€™s not any of those but I still FEEL that way!
You are expressing feelings that many or most of us experience at times.
Improvements in shouty behaviour shows that you are getting some things right. The direction of travel is headed the right way and you should give yourself credit for that.

I'm in the enviable and fortunate position of being able to give my birbs all the attention they could want so I am not able to provide helpful advice but I am able to say well done for the progress you've made.
Attention (as much as you can manage), out-of-cage time, a good diet and toys/distractions/enrichment for when you cannot be around are the minimum requirements. Training helps establish a bond and also, desirable behaviours. Fine-tuning these is where the Forum should be able to continue to provide good advice.

Keep going!
 
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