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Tonifrax

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greys lose down feather quite regally unless you see a bald patch or notice outer feathers chewed it will unlikely that your bird is just plucking out down feathers. the only punishment is just ignoring them for a short period
Hes a little bit bald on his neck/chest and missing the outer feathers so its just the down. I also noticed a few small red feathers on his cage floor. I was told he does sometimes still pluck them out and have seen pictures of him back in march where his feathers were a lot worse.
 

Tonifrax

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Sounds like you are doing well @Tonifrax. Work out what is reinforcing the unwanted sound (attention?) and instead HIGHLY reinforce ANY acceptable sound with the same reinforcer (loads of attention?). As you have discovered punishment as in the previous people spraying him with a jet of water doesn't work in the long run. Only ignoring won't work either. You need to find and heavily reinforce an alternative sound/behaviour for him to do instead. He's been doing it for a long time, so it will take time to teach him to do something else.
I dont give him any attention when he makes that sound. He usually makes it when i am out of sight. I dont give him any attention for a little while after he does it and then I will give him attention for another phrase or sound he makes instead. They said the water spraying was working and that he only did it maybe once every other day whereas hes done it about 6 times today. I just dont agree with that type of punishment. I dont want him to fear water because he needs his baths also. Should I focus on reinforcing just one specific other sound and overly exaggerate praise and attention for that?
 

Tonifrax

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I honestly think he just needs some consistency and stability as it doesnt sound like hes had that in the past and has been passed around a lot. Greys are supposed to be sensitive and although hes quite sociable and has taken to me quite quickly, more so than expected, I think its probably affected him in other ways. Hes a sweet bird and he will quite happily sit on my knee or my arm and just have a snooze or yap away to me. Tonight we just sat at the window and watched the rain. We were listening to music, he started singing and he danced for the first time since I got him. He flaps his wings when hes dancing and hit me in the face with it but at least hes having a good time :pancarta:
 

CaptainHowdy

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They do like to call if you're out of sight as they are flock animals. I tend to whistle or shout hello back to mine. Granted that often starts whistling competitions 🤣🤣
 

Tonifrax

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They do like to call if you're out of sight as they are flock animals. I tend to whistle or shout hello back to mine. Granted that often starts whistling competitions 🤣🤣
Yeah I do that too its just this one noise thats extremely high pitch and loud. Im thinking maybe a word rather than whistling might be the best thing to reinforce instead because he too likes to compete with the whistling 🤣
 

Roz

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Should I focus on reinforcing just one specific other sound and overly exaggerate praise and attention for that?
If you are choosing to wait for a sound, then reinforce any other sound. But better still get a preferred sound on cue and cue it before he even thinks of making the annoying sound.
He usually makes it when i am out of sight.
That's interesting - so it may be a contact call.
He whistles the tune from the song "always look on the bright side of life" and i usually whistle it back and he does that a lot especially when i am in another room.
Great - you are already using a tune as a contact call. Job half done!
Im thinking maybe a word rather than whistling might be the best thing to reinforce instead because he too likes to compete with the whistling
If he likes to compete with the whistling, then it is highly reinforcing! Use it! :biggrin:
 

Tonifrax

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If you are choosing to wait for a sound, then reinforce any other sound. But better still get a preferred sound on cue and cue it before he even thinks of making the annoying sound.

That's interesting - so it may be a contact call.

Great - you are already using a tune as a contact call. Job half done!

If he likes to compete with the whistling, then it is highly reinforcing! Use it! :biggrin:
Okay I'll try that and see how we get on. Thank you! Im not sure i might have a recording of the problem noise so if i do find it whilst going through videos ill post a clip and maybe you can identify if it is just a contact call. Ive never heard anything like it. It sounds like a sort of beep but super high pitch. I always put headphones in when listening videos just incase its there and he hears it and mimics 😂
 

Tonifrax

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Picture is a bit dark but as you can see there's that little patch that is just down feather and I can see his skin in parts of it. When I got him up this morning he was shredding stuff in his cage rather than plucking and theres been no more tail feathers on the bottom of the cage but I did find a wing feather on the floor yesterday
 

Tonifrax

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This is from back in march. He now has like 2 longer red tail feathers. He does preen a lot and sometimes he did kind of seem like he was pulling at them. I will keep an eye on it. My parrotlets are moulting at the moment as well
 

DizzyBlue

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That tail is going to take a long while to sprout back as having no support for those coming through the new ones are likely to get damaged. Took my little Henni two years to finally have something that resembles a set of tail feathers
Is the preen gland at the top of the tail red and inflamed or does it look normal which is standard flesh colour?
 

Tonifrax

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That tail is going to take a long while to sprout back as having no support for those coming through the new ones are likely to get damaged. Took my little Henni two years to finally have something that resembles a set of tail feathers
Is the preen gland at the top of the tail red and inflamed or does it look normal which is standard flesh colour?
It looks flesh coloured
 

Tonifrax

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So this is the noise in question. He doesnt just do it when i leave the room. He did it like 5 times when i was in the room with him
 

Michael Reynolds

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I rather love that sound and its far better than what my Too Buster makes Ha Ha Yes its the sharpness of the call that travels a great distance and can make the ears ring a little. may be I am not the best one to comment having quite a few flock members that can call louder than a grey and when my lot start I have had more than one person leave because of the noise. I do supply ear protectors for visitors.
 

Tonifrax

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I rather love that sound and its far better than what my Too Buster makes Ha Ha Yes its the sharpness of the call that travels a great distance and can make the ears ring a little. may be I am not the best one to comment having quite a few flock members that can call louder than a grey and when my lot start I have had more than one person leave because of the noise. I do supply ear protectors for visitors.
It doesnt really bother me its more just for the neighbours sake 🤣 maybe i should leave ear protectors at their doors haha
 
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