Cheers @bob,things are just starting to flower so it nice seeing everything really showing off for the first time.you wouldnt say the same about the back garden it awful ,going to take some work been left for years before i moved in.it so big im going fill a lot of it with aviaries and leave myself a good portion for myself to chill in.been stashing palms and bamboos ready for when i start.i will do a start to finish with photos this time.