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Looking For Eggs

Discussion in 'For Sale and Bargain Links' started by Galin, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Galin

    Galin Registered

    Hello so I am a pretty inexperienced person who is looking to buy some fertile macaw eggs. Well more specifically one as I don't want to royally f--- things up. So I am looking to get myself a feathered friend (as I don't have any other friends :emoji_disappointed_relieved:) and I really want to experience the hatching of a bird and it's growing up(In other words I am not sexy but still want a child). So if anyone lives in England (Preferably close to London), PM me if you have any blue and gold macaw eggs for sale.

    Quick note: This is not an impulse buy, I have well done my fair share of research, I am just having trouble as most offers on the internet are scams.
     
  2. sunnyring

    sunnyring Regular Member

    no responsible person will sell parrot eggs at all. the only people offering to sell as you have already discovered are scammers. you will not find any real sellers.
     
  3. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Hi @sunnyring is quite right you will not find any real sellers no matter what they tell you. Speak to the Parrot Society UK they will put you straight on that one.
     
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  4. Galin

    Galin Registered

    What do you mean by 'they will put me straight on that one'?
     
  5. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Speak to them, that practice is frowned upon and it may be illegal I am not sure.
     
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  6. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    No responsible person / breeder sells parrot eggs.

    You are not being responsible either.

    you say you are inexperienced...breeding and hand rearing parrots is no walk in the park, requires a lot of specialised equipment, time, experience, etc.

    What do you know about rearing a parrot from an egg?
    what equipment and budget do you have?
    How are you going to feed a hatchling?
    So you’re around 24x7?

    Think again!
     
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  7. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Guest

    You cant buy macaw eggs, incubating, hatching and hand rearing is very difficult and dangerous for the poor little one when someone inexperienced does it
     
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  8. sunnyring

    sunnyring Regular Member

    honestly there is no possibility at all of anyone selling parrot eggs. macaws lay maybe a couple of eggs a year - no one is going to take one of those precious eggs and sell it. people who breed macaws want to hatch those very few eggs they get themselves . i have seen plenty of adverts promising to sell the eggs but they are all lies, send your money and get sent back an infertile pigeon egg if anything.
    hand rearing is a difficult task and most do not hand rear from egg- they let the parrots do the first weeks as the first weeks are just so hard to do and parrots do a better job. even at a few weeks old it is not easy and a small error can main or kill the chick. its not cute, or lovely its hard work and can be utterly heart breaking.
     
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  9. DizzyBlue

    DizzyBlue Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Hello Galin welcome to the forum @Galin
    As the others have said why would a parrot owner sell a fertile egg inexpensively when they can sell a chick macaw for far much more? So you want to have a parrot lots of us did and hence … here we are :) the thing is if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
    Find yourself a good responsible breeder who is recommended and will allow you to visit the chick on a regular basis as the baby grows.
    Meet its parents, make sure you know what paperwork the bird requires depending on the species, that the parents are disease checked to ensure that the chick is going to have the best start in life. I have reared chicks from the day they hatch and can tell you the first two weeks of having sleep depravation when the alarm clock has to be set to go off during the night to ensure correct feeds are given and that the chick is warm enough, moisture levels are correct etc etc is a pure nightmare! I had to hand rear as the parent birds killed the chicks on hatching so decided to step in so I thought. Feeds have to be altered with different mixes at set temperature as the chicks grow its hard … really hard work especially for a newbie. A chick hatched and reared in isolation isn't a good start for a chick, it needs to know its a bird and that learn inherent bird behaviour from its parents and siblings to ensure it becomes a balanced adult.
    Find a good breeder and a enjoy the chick experience instead. We're not trying to be horrible to you we are trying to protect you from falling into a scammers hands.
     
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  10. Galin

    Galin Registered

    Well you see I get everything that you mean. And the idea of visiting the baby is great and sounds really good. I am also thankful that you are trying your best to protect me from scammers. The only thing is that I did myself want those sleepless nights and was enthusiastic about it as I would've gotten the full experience of parenthood. Well I guess I can't have anything :p. Either way, thanks for the kind reply.
     
  11. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    Owing to the laws regarding Parrots there is no way that an egg would be legal to purchase in this country as you cannot tell if it has come from a bird that is kept and bred in captivity within the European market. How would you know that the egg or eggs sent have not come from illegal source. importing laws also affect the importing of eggs from all countries out side great Brittan. if you want to go down the line of breeding and hand rearing then purchase a breeding pair and provide the correct facilities. you can however contact owners that breed and offer a service for the to take on eggs that have been abanden
     
  12. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    If eggs have been abandoned there is usually a reason i.e. chick could be deformed or then hen knows it it unwell, so I would not suggest this.
     
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  13. DizzyBlue

    DizzyBlue Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Your information is incorrect Michael it is not illegal to sell eggs.

    Totally correct Diana abandoned eggs have been abandoned by the birds for a reason. Many of us have made the mistake of thinking ok I will try to hatch these etc etc and found out that the hen bird knew what she was doing she was stopping the process as there was an issue she knew about inside the eggs and us humans being people who seem to wish to think we know better than the species that laid the egg …. end up with egg on our faces! Far better to loose a chick in egg than when it hatched with horrible issues that means it doesn't last more than a day or two.

    It is not illegal to purchase an egg even a Cites A listed bird egg can be sold as long as it has an Article 10 to go with it. Plus it has to be verified obviously it has not been taken from a wild nest (disturbing any nesting bird in the wild regardless of the species is illegal)

    Anyway we're taking about parrot species so here's DEFRA take on the legal side of it for Cites 1 birds as its deemed as commercial gain if the eggs are sold in rear species listed birds.
    http://apha.defra.gov.uk/documents/cites/cites-news030317.pdf this below information is also in the new classification of African Greys / Timneh Greys
    "you will now also require an exemption certificate (commonly known as an Article 10), to authorise commercial use1 within the EU. These commercial restrictions apply to both live and dead specimens (e.g. taxidermy) as well as parts and derivatives, such as feathers and eggs."

    However unless you know your eggs and your birds you aren't going to know what the heck your purchasing. African Greys eggs are large and pointy but smaller than a standard chicken egg and larger than a pigeon egg littler than a bantam egg more pointy than a tiel egg …. Sooooo who is an inexperienced person going to know the egg if they are all white?

    BUT add to that .... do you know if it is fertile the seller of the egg won't know for sure nor if it would hatch for sure?
    Do you know if it has been stored correctly at the right temperatures?
    Do you know if it has been shaken which will stop the egg from developing and hatching?
    Do you know if the parents are a proven pair?
    Are the parents disease tested or carriers of something?
    Why would a person sell a cheap egg when they can get much more for the chick?
    No good breeder in their right mind would sell an egg to somebody who is not a breeder themselves they would be concerned for what the chick develops into in experienced hands … nasties such as crop burns, splay leg etc etc Incorrectly reared chicks can have multiple problems due to inexperienced people rearing them its not that they don't care its just that they haven't got the full knowledge of how to do so that experienced breeders have …. ok so everybody has to start somewhere but usually its with a chick that has been hatched and reared for a few days by the parent birds.

    We aren't trying to be awful or horrible and we are trying to protect you and your hard earned cash and lessen the heartbreak you would undoubtedly set yourself up for. Us lot .. we're parrot freaks been keeping birds for more years than we care to mention ….. seen heaps f scams in our time, been there some of us ourselves, been through heartbreak and quite a few of us have been hobby breeders some of the members here are specialist breeders PSUK registered. This forum is run to help people and their birds and guide whenever we can. You will do as so many before which is what you wish to do regardless of advice given but at least you have now got the pro's and con's in front of you to be better informed :)
     
  14. JessCheekyMia

    JessCheekyMia Regular Member

    Hi @Galin, I have to agree with the advice already given. I don't think it is ethical buying eggs. That is not the best interest for the birds. They should be with their parents for a few weeks at least before being hand reared.
    I think you should get yourself a baby macaw. My breeder that bred my ammie Mia. He said if he has anymore babies he would allow me to help with hand rearing. I wouldn't have the confidence to do it alone. So this was the best way of experience as it is very hard and dangerous if you get it wrong. Especially as I haven't done it before. So maybe you could contact a breeder to see if that is something you could do before buying your birdie. That way you can have that experience. Then you can take the birdie home when he or she is ready.
    I cannot have children so I can see why you are wanting to bring up a baby macaw from day one. But trust me you will get that from buying a baby macaw.
    Nothing will fill that gap of not having a child as it is a whole different experience. So don't do it for that reason, do it because you want your macaw. I don't want to upset you, I have experience of trying everything to feel like a mother. But I am now happy and settled with my flock. I actually do feel like a Mummy to them. I bought 2 birds that were hand reared, some are rescues and some are rehomed but they all give me the same love. So it didn't make a difference what age I got my parrots.

    This is Gizzie my rescue
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    This is Bernie a re-homed
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    This is Princess Mia which I got as a baby.
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    All of my parrots were different ages when I got them. So it shows it doesn't matter what age they are you still have that feeling of parenthood. So either go for a baby that is fully weaned and ready to be sold older. I got Mia at around 14 weeks old. You won't miss out because you didn't have him or her from day one.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2018
  15. Galin

    Galin Registered

    Totally understand all of you guys. Thanks for everything, guess I will do more research upon local breeders and try to find one and communicate so they will allow me to do visits. And by the way, I can be a father biologically, I just don't want a kid... I wanted to raise a parrot :D.
     
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  16. Galin

    Galin Registered

    Oh also by the way, while looking for parrots in the past few days as I do, I found this advert which seems really fishy, selling a whole variety of eggs, including hyacinth babies for 350 pounds. It also apparently comes with 'dna sexing certificates, paper work if required, Carry cage seed etc'. The really weird thing is the etc. part, in general it looks like it's very carelessly written. Just saying and don't quote me if i'm wrong, it might be a scam. Here's a link:

    https://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/.../classifieds/pets/birds/all/uk/hyacinth+macaw
     
  17. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    My goodness in my opinion what a absolute a scam. Unfortunately people fall for them then get upset they do not receive what they paid for.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2018
  18. DizzyBlue

    DizzyBlue Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Join the club :risas3:
    I'm 53 female and could have had kids … so I did … they are just all of the feathered variety :biggrin: …. have 24 of the perishers :yikes: and wouldn't swap any of them for anything ….. - somebody please remind of this post next time one of the flock is picking on me!! :lol:
     
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  19. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Definitely a scam.....most of the birds on that most certainly do require CITES article 10 paperwork. Reputable breeders do not advertise on preloved and such sites.
    The advert has been reported to preloved.
     
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