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Important Info For All African Grey Parrot Keepers - Re Cites 1

Discussion in 'Parrot Chatter' started by TomsMum, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. Alan86

    Alan86 Registered

    Thanks for your reply, I will give them a call this morning and let you know the outcome thanks for your help Alan
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  2. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Hi :welcome: from me and my flock.
    Thanks it will be good to know the outcome, I expect some others will be in the same situation as you.
  3. Parrot797

    Parrot797 Regular Member

    If the closed ring becomes unreadable then the bird must be microchipped and the papers amended by DEFRA to show this.
  4. kizzy

    kizzy Registered

    can anyone give me some advice ive got a pair of breeding African greys they do not have closed rings when I brought them 5 years ago they only come with dna papers which id number was 3 and 4 ive recently got them microchipped so I could get citie papers but just got an email saying there going to refuse my application because dna papers don't match micro chip paper. unless I can get proof of purchase but as it was so long ago I brought them from a bird show I cant get any and don't recall name of breeder
  5. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    Get them re DNA'd and apply again
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  6. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    these birds only had certificates of birth made by the breeders. there is no formal papers and some breeders made up there own certificate. there is nothing stopping you from updating the information using the information you know and redoing your own breeding certificate with the correct information on. there will be a lot of grey owners falling in your position and birds that will not be allowed to be registered for cites.
  7. murphy042002

    murphy042002 Registered

    hi, I am new to the forum and looking into buying an African grey, as stated in many previous conversations above, there are many adverts in the papers and on the net whereby no papers are available with the birds being sold. if a genuine owner is trying to sell his pet bird but doesn't have any paperwork to register for cites is this person selling illegally?
    there a quite a few people that either get bored of their pet or are apparently no longer able to look after them through illness or change of circumstance, rather than commercial breeders/sellers. would I be committing an offence by buying a pet from its long term owner if it didn't have any paperwork whatsoever?
    thanks in advance for any help and information
  8. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    They cannot sell the bird with out the paper work it has to be a gift mind you there is nothing stopping them from selling the cage at a high price and offering the bird as a gift but you need proof that no charge for the bird has been made. this I would never do unless I know its parenthood as it will only encourage smugglers to carry on taking wild birds and if DEFRA has suspicions that the bird is possibly from the wild they may still have grounds to take it.
  9. murphy042002

    murphy042002 Registered

    Michael Reynolds, thanks fro your reply, i wouldn't want to encourage any illegal imports whatsoever so wouldn't want to go down any suspicious routes to acquire any bird. I am all for conservation and preservation of all species myself
    My thinking was more of genuine owners that can no longer look after the pet they currently have but at the same time have no way to register them to sell on. I can though see your point as it would be difficult in some cases to determine a genuine person a oppose to those who would exploit any available loophole
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  10. Kendra

    Kendra Regular Member

    Anyone wishing to provide a home for an African grey (non-breeding purposes only) could contact a parrot rescue society, that way you can be sure all the paperwork is in order and you would be providing a home for a needy bird.
  11. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

  12. Parrot797

    Parrot797 Regular Member

    For CITES birds bought without any papers an offence is commited by both the seller and the buyer.There can be a gifted letter if the bird is given away.
    Just to confuse the issue further,there is a movement to issue Greys with a non CITES licence the same as Kakarikes!
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  13. mo.m

    mo.m Regular Member

    Hi guys, quick question, if you do not have cites paperwork can you swap birds, so each bird is gifted to the other person?
  14. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    As long as you comply by the rules, fill in the appropriate form as linked to above, and that no monies change hands....however, if either parties intend to use the birds for commercial purposes.....that includes being on public display, photography and breeding from them...then they DO need The full cites certification.
    If you are in any doubts then ring the helpline and explain what you are planning to do and they will explain to you what the requirements are, they are helpful.

    Tel: +44 (0) 3000 200 301
    Fax: +44 (0) 28 415 2510
    Email: [email protected]

    Animal and Plant Health Agency (APHA)
    Centre for International Trade - Bristol
    Horizon House
    Deanery Road
    BS1 5AH
  15. mo.m

    mo.m Regular Member

    Thanks @TomsMum, i gave them a ring and they said that even if the birds are swapped and no money is exchanged you still need full cites certificates
  16. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    I thought they might say that!
  17. Graham

    Graham Regular Member

    I've just sent off my cites papers for 5 pairs and a chick 11 x £31 then 10 x £20 for microchip. See what happens next
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  18. Shirley

    Shirley Regular Member

    Yes got mine to do Graham no rush though.

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  19. Setanta

    Setanta Regular Member

    It will be interesting to see what happens here in Africa, where these birds are bred in large quantities for the export market.
    I did see one breeder shut down his operation last year, maybe he saw this one coming?
  20. Graham

    Graham Regular Member

    Well my 5 Breeding pairs of African greys are all cites registered now
    What a game that has been
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