Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by Samin Alakozay, Jan 8, 2019.
that's fine just have patients and she will go back.
@Michael Reynolds still no luck as of yet
Quick question if we have to go to sleepsgould we just leave the lights off and go to sleep?
It’s slowly getting late and we have work early
a ringneck will stay put unless they get frightened all the time it is dark. she would of herd the normal noises or seen lights from traffic from her cage so she should be fine but as soon as it gets light again she will be off to find her food, sometimes when lights go off she may panic and fly so just turn the lights on and let her settle then turn them off again
@Michael Reynolds would it be best then to just leave the light on then go to sleep let he bird go in as she pleases ?
that's what I would do but keep the light low
@Michael Reynolds think Ima just leave it on. Can’t dim it because it’s either on or off
It looks like this *photo* (parrot top right chilling )
I personally have not found my ringnecks destructive apart from there love of ripping paper, all mine are out all the time but I also have food out for them and my other birds that are never caged. by keeping food only in the cage your bird will go back when it is hungry
Hi hun, welcome! Love the pic with the cage and all the plants but am wondering if they are all safe plants for parrots as some can be toxic and are best removed. I had a RB2 for 8 years and it wasn't until year 7 that he decided to try mine and didn't I panic. Because he had previously taken no notice I thought I was home safe, just shows doesn't it!
@Michael Reynolds hi all!!!
I thought all my updates should be here to keep everything tidy....
so update... I have been the parrot out every few days how ever last 2 times it’s been concerning....
yesterday I let her out she went to a high point and started playing around which is fine...
someone made a sudden move far away the bird randomly flew towards us (think it wanted to get back into the cage) smacked it self into a window (not that hard) no one moved everyone stayed calm.... then it walked around flew high into a brick wall and dropped away.... we all left the room and left it some food and water to regain its energy
Eventually it went on top of the cage fell asleep a few times had some food and went back into her cage.... when she flies now she’s almost out of breath you can see her best moving fast...
Today I open the door of the cage as her millet has fallen on the floor and she straight away flew out into the living room. Clinged to the curtain then flew to the other wife fell behind the sofa and pretty much got stuck. She was panicked and couldn’t get out so I calmly grabbed her and safley returned her into her cage. I have a big cut on my finger which is okay I understand that she is afraid. Even when I put her in her cage it took her a good 4-5 seconds to let go....
I’m concerned that I’m making her “fat” and she’s showing no progresssion at all of Becoming “tame” when I put my hand in the cage regardless of any treat in my hand she squeaks.
I’m committed will not give up on her but just need some advice, should I still let her out? Why is she acting panicked and smacking her self into walls as if she can’t fly
@Roz sorry forgot to tag yourself could use some help and advice here
Hi Sam! So sorry this happened. I hope she isn't hurt at all. Since she has "panicked" and has flown "blindly" into walls etc. twice now, I wouldn't let her out for a few days. Let her recover inside her cage and observe the layout of your house again. It might be an idea to stick something on the window for the next time she comes out so that she sees it is a solid object. I stuck UV stickers all over my big French windows in my old house. I don't know why she is panicking, but yes, when they panic like that they do fly into solid objects like brick walls (Ollie my Amazon has done the same long ago). Is there anything you can see that she is afraid of? Something outside? What is her behaviour like inside her cage? Is she looking intently at something or is she relaxed? I know you said that she pants now when she flies. It might be fear that is making her pant more than usual.
The cage is her territory. I wouldn't put your hand inside her cage... especially since she is not comfortable with it there. Try handing her treats through the cage bars. For example if she likes apple, you could wedge a piece of apple through the bars. Do the same every day so she knows what to expect. You'll notice she will get faster at coming to nibble at it. You, on the other hand, can get slower and slower at wedging the slice into place. Eventually she will eat her side of the apple with you still holding onto it.
When working with a bird that isn't tame, do all you can to keep her body language relaxed. If you overstep the mark and do something to make her fearful, you become paired with the fearful thing so you become something to be feared too. So best not go there at all. You want instead to pair yourself with wonderful things. And this is difficult with a bird that isn't tame because there are not many wonderful things you can associate yourself with. Food is a good one as all birds have to eat. It is an unlearned reinforcer. But her fear of you/your hands may override her desire for the food you are holding. So make that piece of food big to start with so she doesn't have to get too near to your hands... eg. the slice of apple, or holding the end of a piece of millet spray for her to nibble through the bars. Notice what her favourite foods are... what does she pick out of the food bowls first? These will be her favourite items. Remove these items from the food bowl and just drop one in her food bowl every time you pass her cage and walk away so that she can go and eat it.
can I ask how often do you get her out, can you also try to check her eye sight on both eyes. they may look fine but doing your own tests are quite easy, a birds vision in one eye covers one side of its body all you need to do is stand behind her (her back facing the other way lift up your left arm slowly and look for her reaction. do the same with your other arm. ) Ok you have a three year old untamed ringneck who may of not been given the chance to use her wings and will panic. the time frame for getting the bird to trust humans from wild is up to three months plus one month for each of her years. I would not keep her in the cage and in fact I prefer to let her out more often, the sooner she learns the space she can fly in the better, by keeping her in the cage she would not of learnt and may forget her mistakes from her previous panic. if she hits a wall or window do not go to pick her up just sit down and talk gently try not to panic. let her recover and then fly back up. as we do not know any thing about this birds past especially how humans have treated her (for all we know she may of been wing clipped from young this will affect her mental state and may be another reason she is so scared and also cause panic and bad flight control). yes her cage is a safe place but yet again I have a different approach and a few important rules that must be followed.
Always approach slowly
Talk calmly while approaching.
keep you hand as low as possible on approach and even in the cage
Do not attempt to get to close to your bird
keep your hand as still as possible
try to sit down so you are lower than your bird
try to do this three or four times a day
each training session should only last a maximum of five minutes until your bird shows signs of relaxing
when removing your hand and coming away from the cage follow the first three rules
after each training session I leave a treat in her bowl (a walnut piece) or apple piece maybe a grape.
ringnecks need to be in a flock and you are its flock now so have patient's
try to think what happened that may of caused her to panic it can be something simple like a sudden movement from you.
I do not think the UV sticker would of helped in this case as she was also flying in to walls but I will recommend them being put on large panes of glass not only for your bird but also for the wild birds out side
@Roz @Michael Reynolds
guys thank you for your detailed replies!!! I would be so lost without the help im receiving!
I also believe that sticking UV stickers will not help the bird is very smart and it knows when the glass door is open and when its closed.
by my observation she hits the wall when she cant get enough high to a high location to sit on so she just hits a wall and comes back down, I have on the other hand seen her indoors with no problems.
- I have been told in the past to put my hand in the cage so the bird can see that im not a threat, but for now I think its best to pass treats through the bars.
the parrot is generally happy in the cage, but also based on body language (passing up and down her pearch) she wants to be let out.
she gets spooked when someone comes close to her cage, she is spoilt by everyone, gets treats all the time and constantly near people however showing very small improvements
she chirps, screams does upside down tricks, but she doesn't play with her toys that much as if she doesn't know what they are, slightly worrying
I tend to let her out 2-3 times a week, I have now installed a perch for her to sit on outside the cage which is the length of the room (wall to wall)
she looks really happy at the moment.
I will no longer from put my hand in side the cage while the bird is still inside.
the initial panic was caused because my mother in law removed plastic from the table (bird was very far and high)
and second panic was caused because she escaped into the living room and clung into the curtains, flew from there to the picture frame, back to the curtains then couldn't make it to the picture frame and dropped
maybe we were at fault both times, just want to make sure she lives best possible life and hopefully gets take so we can pet her
@Michael Reynolds @Roz hi guys. Just thought I’d update and ask some more help during my journey with this bird....
She seems to have stopped panting when flying and has lost some weight since changing her diet to what was suggested on his forum....
her colour looks a little more green too more vibrant.
Sometimes she’s really calm and sometimes she is really scared when people are around her not sure why...
I have some questions for today...
1.Does it matter how much millet the bird eats? She loves it. Maybe addicted lol I give her a little bit about 2 inch worth everyday
2. When she’s out of her cage she flies towards me and the flies back. Is she being hostile as that’s her home or is she wanting to sit on me?
Still no signs of her being tame but at least she’s living happy
Hi I am pleased she is showing improvements especially on the panting side. Millet is fine and a natural grass seed that many birds love, and providing she is eating other foods in her diet I would not worry too much. you can try sprouting the millet (letting it grow a little) by putting it on a plate after soaking with kitchen roll paper that you should keep wet for about three days, wash the millet and change the paper and leave it by the window, in two to three days it will start to shoot nice healthy new green growth, its a favourite for all my flock, (if it dose not sprout you may need to find a better supplier for your millet.
She is not being hostile she is only checking you out to see if she is safe, seeing if you react when she dose it and slowly she mat fly even closer and start brushing you head as she gains more confidence. She need to be assured that she is safe before she lands on you, its at this stage after she has come that close that I would place a treat on your head to see if she will take it from you. don't be surprised if she moves it and flys away or if she gets it and drops it as this is normal as she is taking a big risk in her mind and is a big step for her to make.
@Samin Alakozay I wish you have a great birthday my friend
Why don't you use the millet to start the taming process? Will she nibble at it with you holding one end? You may have to start with a longer piece and then gradually shorten it... ie. your hands/fingers will be slowly, slowly getting nearer to her. She will begin to pair/associate your hands with the yummy millet. Hands/fingers will therefore become something to look forward to. Take it at her pace. When she is happy eating from say a 6 inch piece, then try her with a 5.5 inch piece.... then a 5 inch piece.... etc etc. Don't shorten it until she is confident at eating it at the previous length.
Her body language before she takes off would tell you if she is being aggressive or not. You could hang something like a Boing (rope spring swing) from the ceiling to give her somewhere to hang out on away from her cage. My birds all love them. I have a few all over the house.
Is it the number of people around her? Is it because of the way they move... ie. fast and jerky rather than slow and smooth? Is she calmer around certain people but not others? A lot of birds don't like people towering over their cage. If you/the person can get down lower than her, she would feel more comfortable. When I first got my untame Orange-winged Amazon I used to crawl to his cage (yes, that was taking things to the extreme but I was happy to do it) as he was much calmer than if I walked full height straight at him.
Hi guys! @Michael Reynolds @Roz
Firstly I want to apologise for a late reply, I intended to reply sooner.
Thank you for the birthday wishes it means a lot!!!
i will sure check YouTube videos on how to sprout millet. It could be a good additional treat to have!
I been placing small bits of millet on by her perch, she knows its there but will squawk until I move away then quickly come and grab it.
I tried to place the millet so she can nibble it form my hands however the millet stick isn’t strong enough to hold and it flops down, im fearful that using glue or something to strengthen the stick might cause problems for little jacki.
She seems to be not bothered at all towards the evening but she seems really scared and hyper in the morning!! As soon as she sees anyone she jumps on the bars and moves side to side, and towards the evening ashes really calm and relaxed until you get really really close.
thanks for all the help guys!
Ok that is great, Sam - you've got some communication going on between you re the millet pieces. For now, just put the millet piece on the perch as you've been doing and immediately move away (don't wait for her to squawk and wait for you to move away). When she is completely relaxed about this then you can get slower and slower at moving away until eventually she may take it from your fingers. But go very slowly... might take weeks.
Some pet shops sell big bags of really long and strong millet spray. These, cut in half, would definitely be strong enough to hold one end without it flopping.
Definitely don't use glue!
This morning when she is jumping on the bars and moving from side to side when she sees someone - is she trying to move away from that person (ie. doing this on the back of the cage)? Or it could be that she is excited to see the person if she is doing this on the front of the cage closest to the person?
One tip regarding millet spray: if you soak them for 24 hours in clean water, and rinse well before feeding, they are much more nutritious for the parrot and create less dust and mess (because they are damp).
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