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Early Days Training.... Biting Advice

Discussion in 'Training' started by CosmoIRN, Aug 19, 2018.

  1. CosmoIRN

    CosmoIRN Regular Member Registered

    @Roz thank you very much for the advice and info, I can certainly see what you are saying, Cosmo knows when are going to go in his age with a treat as very often he will go on the perch opposite the door and be waiting for his treat, but will deffinately try the steps you've suggested, I'm abit confused as to how to give the treat at the end of each step (sorry if that sounds silly) would I put it somewhere or go to him with it
    Once again thank you
     
  2. Roz

    Roz Regular Member

    No question is silly! I thought you were close enough to give him the treat with your fingers, since he is able to nip you? Just like he takes a treat from you for stepping up on a hand held perch you can offer him the treat from between your thumb and finger after he succeeds each step. What I am saying is that asking Cosmo to step up on your hand is a huge thing to ask of him.... he isn't succeeding, so you would break the "step up" into much smaller manageable steps that he can achieve. So you might place your arm or hand fairly near him (far away enough so that he remains relaxed). As soon as he looks at your hand, mark the behaviour by saying "good boy" and give him a treat with your other hand, leaving your first arm/hand in place. Then remove both hands. As soon as he has finished eating the treat. Re introduce your hand and try step one again. When he's used to step one, then he might move his head or body just a little towards your hand. Capture that moment with another "good boy!" and give him a treat. Then remove your hands/arm. Hey presto, he has succeeded in doing the first two steps! Our goal is to get Cosmo to walk towards your hand/arm and step up onto it. By the way as soon as he does step up, let him get right back down again, so that he remains in control of what is happening. You don't want him to step up and then get frightened enough not to want to do it again.

    Have a look at this thread about shaping a step up onto a hand held perch. Imagine your hand in place of the perch. Every one of those steps was reinforced/rewarded with a treat at the beginning. It took a long time to teach Ollie to step up on a hand held perch. As the bird learns the steps, you would only reinforce the last successful one each time, ie. you wouldn't bother reinforcing (giving a treat for) steps 1 and 2 if the bird has successfully reached step 3. You would only reinforce step 3.... although at the beginning of every training session, it is a good idea to start from step1 again. Sometimes a bird races through the steps (especially if they have done them before)... so fast that you can leave some out. Other birds (like my Ollie) take much longer and we have to move carefully through all the steps even going backwards and breaking some down even smaller. But we get there eventually.

    https://theparrotclub.co.uk/community/index.php?threads/shaping-the-step-up-back-to-basics.21349/
     
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  3. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    great advice from Roz, I will say on the question of how often the answer will depend on Cosmo. you want him to enjoy your involvement with him as this helps to form a strong bond. the important thing is not so much how often but for how long should it last. I keep sessions under 15 minuets and teaching to trust the hand by offering treats for him to collect from you may just last a very short time and as long as he is willing can be done quite regally. but I would rather he takes it and then leave him with the treat until a short while after. I will point out that if Cosmo goes to step up he will use his beak the hardest part for you is to learn is he going to bite or just use his beak for balance and checking it is safe. they can have a sharp tip that can give you like a pin prick bleed but do not punish him as the injury he may of caused was not intention able. he will learn that he is applying too much pressure in time. Ringnecks can take chunks of your skin off there beaks are quite strong but they will normally threaten you first and its normally if they are scared
     
  4. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    great advice from Roz, I will say on the question of how often the answer will depend on Cosmo. you want him to enjoy your involvement with him as this helps to form a strong bond. the important thing is not so much how often but for how long should it last. I keep sessions under 15 minuets and teaching to trust the hand by offering treats for him to collect from you may just last a very short time and as long as he is willing can be done quite regally. but I would rather he takes it and then leave him with the treat until a short while after. I will point out that if Cosmo goes to step up he will use his beak the hardest part for you is to learn is he going to bite or just use his beak for balance and checking it is safe. they can have a sharp tip that can give you like a pin prick bleed but do not punish him as the injury he may of caused was not intention able. he will learn that he is applying too much pressure in time.
     
  5. Roz

    Roz Regular Member

    In my opinion, 15 minutes training in one go is way too long. Repetition is the key. 10 seconds here and there, to begin with, throughout the day or whenever you can, will keep interest levels high and training for both of you fun. You might increase training to 30 seconds to a couple of minutes, as long as the bird is still engaged with what you are doing. Always finish on a successful note so that the bird looks forward to the next training session.

    As Michael said, keep offering treats from your fingers. He may snatch at first but soon he'll learn to take the treats nicely. Don't start the step up training before he is consistently taking the treats nicely from your fingers.
     
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