Thanks dizzy, Di, Michael hes had one spray shower and one drench shower so hes fairly clean, hes very un steady on his feet possibly a older bird, but then he use to just sit on a sofa cuddling a old lady for years and only had a rodent cage with flat surfaces its taken him two years to be able to stand on a perch. Hes not got any open wounds on him now but did over preen and nibble when his original old lady owner gave him up. Hes all healed up and not bothered himself while hes been here, other than his skin just looks dry. Hes been fed tinned sweetcorn and bread for years so I suspect diet has a lot to do with it. Hes in a room upstairs well away from my two but I'm not to worried as hes very bright and active. Thanks for your concern Michael I would not get myself into a situation where I'm out of pocket and I do have permission to get him seen by a vet if I feel he needs it.