Hi to you all. I'm in a similar situation with my Alexandrine. He was parent-raised and hasn't been handled at all. He's probably a bit younger than yours by a few months, but I don't really know. At the moment I'm working up to him taking food from me in lots of situations, like you said I can't train him to do anything until he'll accept the reward. This is how I did it: I started by sitting by the cage talking to him, then dropping food into his food bowl whenever I went past him (he wouldn't move to get it when I was there). Then I started feeding him through the cage bars, because he feels safest in his cage, I would be sat down and he'd be higher than my body. Then I could stand up and feed him through the bars. Then I'd move him to different places on the same rope toy by moving the food still through the bars. Then I tried feeding him out of the cage by putting pieces of food around the area he explored, then finally out of the cage taking food out of my hands. Next step is making him move around the area to take food from my hands. He "asks" for treats now by coming as close to the edge of the play stand as he can to me and staring at me! He seems to follow this pattern...at first the new thing is "AAAAAAAAARRRRRGH!!!!! RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". Then he starts staying where he is and observing. Then finally he moves towards the thing e.g. my hand. I've found that holding food in my fingers in the same place for minutes on end doesn't help. He reacts better if I repeat the action over and over again a couple of times for a few seconds and then completely stop for a few minutes and then try again. As Alexandrine's are the big big big cousins of IRNs this might be helpful? How are you getting on so far?! Look forward to finding out.