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Caique Behaviour Advice Please!

Discussion in 'Behaviour' started by Kerin, Mar 12, 2017.

  1. Kerin

    Kerin Regular Member

    It's horrible isn't it, I had a bit of a cry last night because my hands were still hurting badly, but worse was the hurt feelings, because he was really vicious those two days. Hopefully once the breeding season calms down a bit our lads will show us they love us again. I'm not glad your Archie is the same at the moment hun, but it does help to know that they are all a bit like this right now xx
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  2. Setanta

    Setanta Regular Member

    I have four pairs and two caique youngsters at home. yes 10 birds
    average age 5 years
    Ive just returned from a year away in London, yes a YEAR. No bites
    You guys are doing something wrong
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  3. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    Because you've distanced yourself from your birds @Setanta
    Archie doesn't bite strangers or extended family either when they visit once in a blue moon.

    I'm with him everyday, I'm his primary care giver, so when my mam was playing with him last night, he enjoyed it because she doesn't have time to do it very often, it was nice and new for him (like when you returned from London). But just that morning I got a hole put in my hand coz he was sick of me leaving him to go to work.

    Anyways it's his birthday today and it's all kisses and cuddles this morning as I'm not at work today.
    Last edited: Apr 28, 2017
  4. Setanta

    Setanta Regular Member

    Heather I lknow that you have a REAL problem. I am not unfeeling

    But I challenge Caique bite stories every time I see them. Its usually the human at fault.
    I have lived with ten caiques for 5 years - no bites.
    I have been through the hormonal phases and even hand raised an abandoned baby - no bites
    Then I went away FOR A YEAR and came back, expecting some kind of reaction/punishment to my percieved abandonment. - No bites
  5. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    :ura: HappyHatchday Archie xx:dev14:
  6. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Happy hatchday Archie xx

    Heather do try some Activon medical grade mankua honey (about £3.50 is from Ebay free p&p) it really heals those bites up quickly.

    I do wonder whether you are not his chosen one though.
  7. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    I don't have a bad bite
    His upper beak put a pin sized hole in my hand, he's never bitten me badly, I'd call it more of a nip.
    He's made my mam and brother pour with blood but never me yet.
  8. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    Does Archie react to you wearing different coloured clothes, or clothing types or having your hair in a different style? Mark gets the evil eye here when he is wearing shirt and tie etc so obviously leaving for work! Ours also react to changes in the weather especially if there's a significant low pressure area coming in, and also when there routine changes and we get them up earlier than usual bacuse it's a work day. Tom used to hate a t-shirt I had that had a picture of puffins on it!

    I once read an article about a lady whose Cockatoo suddenly attacked her one day.....they eventually worked out it was because she had taken to wearing red nail varnish.
  9. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    I've got no idea @TomsMum
    He watches me do my makeup and knows I'm going out and he's going to be alone in his cage for a few hours, I think that's all it takes
    I think he's being a little territorial about his cage at the moment too, plus it will feel like spring to him now because he is having shorter nights and getting up earlier, he woke me up this morning, I forgot to close his cage door last night when he went to bed.

    This is @Kerin post not mine, I was just joining in with pally that kerin is not alone in this, we're all suffering bites and moodiness from our caiques. Guess we're all doing something wrong and non of us are the chosen ones.
  10. Setanta

    Setanta Regular Member

    Caiques are famous for being least likely to have a 'chosen one'. They shower their attention pretty much equally on anyone who will play with them. But if they are permitted to form a dislike of someone, for whatever THEY see as a good reason, then I understand it can be a long way back. Gentleness, patience and bribery is the only route back.
  11. pally

    pally caique whisperer Regular Member

    Gotta say every bite ive had @Setanta has been my fault,usually rushing round and not paying attention.or getting over excited when ive bought them something new and im desperate to give them stuff ha.always a giveaway for me is when they stiffen the tail and it kind of clicks over each of the cage bars ,hmm thanks for the warning ha
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  12. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    Would also like to say that I've taken Archie on as a "second hand" bird
    Don't really know his past but judging how terrified he was of me and how he couldn't fly it was not good.
    I haven't hand reared him from a baby or had him from a baby.

    Never met the previous owners but I wonder if Archie is remembering what led up to being abandoned (being in his cage more) or being left alone for work etc, he has his past experiences that I don't know the extent of.

    He doesn't have a chosen one, he doesn't dislike me, this happens a few times a year with hormones or even some days he's just in a bad mood, some days he's extra cuddly. Just as some days people are more moody than others, every night he snuggles up and goes to sleep under my chin, even if he's bitten me that day.
    It's just the way he is, I find it a bit odd that you're all acting like parrots don't bite, you're all complaining of the bites on your hands and having plasters allover them but setanta pops home for a week and doesn't get bit and all of a sudden we're all doing something wrong.
  13. Kerin

    Kerin Regular Member

    Pea is also a "second-hand bird" from a very loving home where he had the attention of a family, and was never left alone as someone was home all day every day. Now he has had to adjust to having just me, and I do go to work a couple days a week. He's a bit of a velcro bird, when he wants to be on you he is and sticks like glue. He also tries to be friends with the amazons but neither of them have any interest in him so I'm the only companion/playmate he has. I don't want this to make anyone think that he's constantly biting like he has recently because he doesn't, he's normally a little love who only wants to be with me and join in whatever I'm doing. I was just hoping to find out what might be setting him off is all, as when he does bite, as described it's really bad. I know all parrots bite, even my lovely laid back Chewy is capable of it, but I started this because I couldn't work out what is causing Pea to bite so very badly when he does.

    No doubt I AM doing something wrong @Setanta but I've yet to work out what the hell it is. I don't wear perfumes or make-up, none of my clothes set him off, my hair is always the same. I play with him when he invites or asks for it and watch him carefully at all times for signs of over-excitement. He loves his fuss and cuddles and tickles, and he gets plenty when he wants them but I don't try to make him accept them. He's a very physical little bird, when he wants to be handled and stroked he'll open up his wings and contort himself to be touched all over. It's not surfing which he also loves, it's as described. He even seeks out and enjoys being held in my hands with only his head poking out while I tickle his wing pits with my thumbs!

    As I discovered it's far more likely to happen if I have been out all day. The only other thing so far is that he has only ever bitten females since he came to live with me. Males he will happily either ignore, or more usually sit on their shoulder like a little lamb for a bit before going off to play and do his own thing again. Today I was out half the day and he was fine, his normal happy loving self :)
  14. Kerin

    Kerin Regular Member

    And Happy hatchday Archie :) xx
  15. Rio's Mom

    Rio's Mom Registered

    @Kerin I've been experiencing the exact same thing you described with my 3 y.o. white-bellied caique. It's been going on for about a year or so, maybe longer. He is usually wonderful, but sometimes will go into 'attack mode' where he will bite my hand very strongly and draw blood. When this happens, I can't get him off my hand, and even if I try to leave him alone, he will fly back to me/seek me out again to bite me aggressively unless I manage to get him in his cage somehow. It's as if he's not himself anymore and can't respond rationally. Warning signs are puffed up neck feathers, regurgitating, strutting around puffed up, etc., but oftentimes this happens too quickly for me to do anything about it, or there are no warning signs. This makes me think it's hormonal or the result of over-excitement... It often happens after I've been gone for a while (I wonder if he either gets too excited from seeing me, or if he resents me having left?). For example, someone was pet-sitting Rio over the winter holidays (i.e. Rio and I were apart for a couple weeks), and I just brought him back home today. He seemed absolutely thrilled to see me and be home and in his cage/space for the first 20 minutes or so. But after that, he regurgitated a couple times (the 'head shaking' you mentioned perhaps?) and then bit down on my hand very aggressively and wouldn't let go. I managed to get him off my hand and onto the floor, where he strutted around puffed up with pinned eyes. I didn't know what to do, because if I approach him he'd bite me again, and if I moved away he'll fly to me and then also attack me again.

    Essentially, I am wondering if you were able to resolve this issue with Pea? Did you figure out why he was doing this/what set him off, or find anything that helps once he gets like that? Any advice at all is welcome!!
  16. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    @Rio's Mom welcome to the forum!

    I've joined a Caique page on Facebook and nearly every single person on there has described the same behaviour
    Archie does the same behaviour with me that you described Rio does

    I think it's a Caique thing and I cover my hands with my sleeves when Archies out and in one of those moods
  17. Kerin

    Kerin Regular Member

    Hi @Rio's Mom :)
    Pea has now improved massively and rarely bites at all. The only time he would or does now is if I ignore all the signs of him being way too over-excited. Those signs being the frozen pinning of his eyes, head shaking, and perhaps trying to nip through the bars at the same time if he's really riled up... All of those are rare now though, he seems to have turned a corner with me. Pea's head shaking isn't the same as his regurgitating, it's literally a violent shaking of his head back and forth as though he's saying NO very very quickly, sometimes with a twist to the movement. When he does do this it's always after his eyes start pinning.

    I've found with my little man that I'm now the only female he will tolerate, I can't let him go onto others or he will bite, and always has done since coming to me. Males (All males, even strangers) he will happily sit on quietly or surf on their knees, and he will object if I try to remove him from them, so if it has to be done I explain to them how to encourage him to get off and return to his cage or to me. Sometimes it just has to be the very soft snuggly cloth though, I really am going to have to get the dna testing done!
    When he regurgitates He's always very gentle and craving a nice little fuss, it's very different from the head shaking. I think the change has happened because of a combination of things. He is now three, and seems to have come through the terrible twos, plus he is now much more used to me and accepting of me (I had only had him a few short months when I started this, It's now been over a year) And perhaps most of all I have learned HIS character and body language. I used to think he would flip without warning, but I now see the sometimes very subtle signs of his moods changing before his eyes pin. I have learned what he likes, what works to distract him from becoming upset, when to lavish attention, and when best to just leave him be to play on his own.
    I'm sorry I can't give you specific tips how to stop yours from biting, with Pea it was a gradual process of us learning to know, love, and respect each other. Good luck hun xx :)
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  18. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    Would also like to add that my Caique Archie is a happier boy since getting him a female Caique friend, I only really have issues when I'm messing around inside his cage with newspaper, other than that he's spot on and doesn't seek out my hands.
    I do still keep them covered when handling him though as he very randomly strikes.

    I even got him down off my head the other day with my bare hand (I thought it was Phoebe on my head) but he just stepped up lovely and didn't bite, normally I would have pulled my sleeve over my hand and asked him to step up.
  19. Rio's Mom

    Rio's Mom Registered

    @Kerin @Heather2131 Thank you both so much for your quick and thorough replies!! I'm glad to know what has helped and worked for you both. It took 2-3 days, but Rio now seems to have re-adjusted to being home with me (after having been away over the holidays). He was extremely aggressive for those first few days, lunging at my hands whenever he saw them. This being said, he simultaneously seemed to be "needier" than normal (lots of separation anxiety every time I left the room). My suspicion is that he was resentful of me leaving, and scared of my hands as our last interaction prior to me leaving had been me putting him in his carrier. Who knows though! I am just so glad to have him back to normal and to have regained each other's trust ("normal" meaning that he's mostly a sweetheart, but definitely still has those occasional aggressive caique moods!). Thanks again for all of your help and advice!
  20. Heather2131

    Heather2131 Regular Member

    @Rio's Mom he was probably just punishing you for leaving him haha
    Pleased he's sorted himself out, I have no idea what sets Archie off some days.