Beta blocker needed for Percy the Senegal

AngelaLeon

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Percy has an enlarged heart. He has arotic stenosis. I don’t understand the rest of his conditions. The vet said it might be congenital or it could be from the all seed diet the previous owner had him on. I’ve had radiographs, an ultrasound, and comprehensive blood work and cultures & fecals done. He is on Enacard, Meloxicam and they just started pimobenden. They are looking for a beta blocker but so far have been unsuccessful. They found one in the 🇬🇧 but it hasn’t been used on a bird patient yet. If you know of a beta blocker for birds please let me know as soon as possible! #prayersForPercy
 

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AngelaLeon

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I’m having a hard time navigating this site... if you could tag me on it... maybe I can see what she said.
 

dianaT

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From Roz :welcome: Angela! So sorry Percy isn't well. I'm afraid I have no experience of beta blockers for birds. I remember my London vet telling me quite a few bird meds are those originally used for humans... eg. Allopurinol for gout and Celebrex as an anti-inflammatory, etc. It is good that your Florida vet may have found a suitable beta blocker in the UK.

Maybe ask Jeannine Miesle on "The Science of Avian Health" on Facebook.
Or have your vet consult with one of the greats in the US like Dr Bob Dahlhausen or Dr Scott Echols. Dr Todd Driggers is also very good.

(@Roz I copied this for @AngelaLeon
 

Tonifrax

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Hi :wave:

I dont know of any but I have been reading and theres quite a few studies ive found online where beta blockers have been tested on birds such as turkeys for example and some that have been successful although it does say that further testing is required into the long term safety of using them
 

AngelaLeon

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Hi :wave:

I dont know of any but I have been reading and theres quite a few studies ive found online where beta blockers have been tested on birds such as turkeys for example and some that have been successful although it does say that further testing is required into the long term safety of using them
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Tonifrax

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Currently reading this and have copied and pasted the bit about beta blockers below for you 🙂


"A comparison of cardioprotective effects of chronic administration of a beta 1-selective antagonist (atenolol), nonselective beta antagonist (propranolol), alpha-receptor antagonist (phenoxybenzamine), and two calcium channel blockers (nifedipine and verapamil) was undertaken in turkey poults fed furazolidone. Maximum cardioprotection was found when the poults were treated with either propranolol or nifedipine. All other agents were more protective than phenoxybenzamine [[110]]. Further studies are needed to evaluate long-term safety of the use of beta blockers in birds."
 

Tonifrax

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Also reading a study done on sparrows to test the effects of beta blockers on lowering heart rates. They carried out the tests using propranolol, phentolamine and saline and the propranolol was the most effective at lowering their heart rates
 

Tonifrax

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Ive come across propranolol a few times while ive been looking into it. Not sure if this will help at all but I hope that it does 😊
 

Tonifrax

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@AngelaLeon
Document Tonifrax is referring to is Avian cardiology - Veterinary Clinics: Exotic Animal Practice (theclinics.com)
2003 study from the USA perhaps would be a better source of information for your vet also for them to be able to contact them direct name of avian vets who undertook the study is on the document.
Oh did my link not work? I added it but it just comes up as "DEFINE_ME" but when i click it seems to work for me and sends me to that same document :thinking:
 
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