African Grey Seizures

@PatriciaMarchand So sorry to hear your story of Michelle and Max. Picture is lovely and it seems that you are able to manage her condition as well as you can.
Thank you.
I am an elderly pensioner of 76 years old and on my own, so I spend most of my time with my birds and my dog.
Yes it has been very debilitating. She recovers well, if she has a fit at night I cannot help her though I can see from a camera she had a seizure, but the problem are the perches and the cage metal, she falls and could hurt herself.
I dont want to cause her more stress so driving her to a vet is a no no, and they would give her sleeping drugs.
Because it has now being 3 years, looks well, so far fits lasting less than 2mn, I have hope, but she is pooping liquid so her kidneys might have been affected.
I just purchased some DMG (no prescription), dimethylform, which is supposed for racing pigeons, to support her digestive system.
 
The photo is Michelle and Picture in the inside aviary. Adopted Picture from a breeder, so her neck was and remained plucked, she has the red factor and small, Michelle and Max were congo. Max named her Picture.
 

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PSUK seem to have a few vets listed on their site for Essex should you ever require one these are who they are recommending always good to have a list to look at just in case rather than trying to root somebody out in an emergency.

Avian Vets in Essex
Martin Lawton
Lawton & Stoakes 8-12 Fitzilian Avenue Harold Wood Romford RM3 0QS
Tel: 01708 384444
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.vets.uk.net

Ben Bennett
Colne Valley Vets
Off Maudlyn Road Colchester CO1 2GU
Tel: 01206 794695
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.colnevalleyvets.co.uk

South Beech Veterinary Surgery 40 Southend Road Wickford SS11 8DU
Tel: 01268 560660
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.southbeechvet.co.uk

Ashingdon Veterinary Surgery
Hedingham Place Rectory Road Golden Cross Ashingdon SS4 1UP
Tel: 01702 543701
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.ehvg.co.uk

Don Bremner
Assisi Vets Tiptree Vet Centre
Maypole Road / Barbrook Lan Tiptree CO5 0EJ
Tel: 01621 818282
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.tiptreevets.co.uk

Don Bremner
Assisi Vets
London Road Vets 47 London Road Lexden Colchester CO3 9AJ
Tel: 01206 544918
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.londonroadvets.co.uk

Wylie Pets Wylie Veterinary Hospital
196 Hall Lane Upminster RM14 1TD
Tel: 01708 251200
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.wylievets.com

Orchid Vets
309 Ongar Road Brentwood CM15 9HP
Tel: 01277 227462
Web: www.orchidvets.co.uk
 
So sorry about Max and Michelle. :(

Glad you were able to get some DMG since that is said to help with seizures. Here are some more natural remedies - note they are for humans:

Skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora). Usually used as a tea or tincture, but can get powdered skullcap in capsule form. Skullcap seems to act upon benzodiazepine GABA receptors in the brain. GABA is a neurotransmitter that helps prevent over stimulation of the nervous system. If it gets too low you can have seizures, epilepsy, anxiety, depression, insomnia and more. Skullcap is an antispasmodic. It eases muscle twitches, spasms and seizures by relaxing the muscles, relieving involuntary muscle movements, and calming the nervous system. Warning: Use skullcap sparingly in small doses. Large doses may be harmful or could cause liver damage.

Valerian root (Valeriana officinalis). Valerian has a relaxing effect on the muscles of the body. For regular use (to prevent attacks), usual dosage for a human is between 100mg to 1 gram of dried and powdered root. Start with a low dose, depending on the person's size and the severity of the disease, and increase it gradually until you find a level that works. It can also be used for acute attacks. Warning: In ordinary doses, Valerian exerts a quieting and soothing influence upon the brain and nervous system. However, in large repeated doses, it can produce pain in the head, heaviness and stupor. It can become addictive, only use when needed.

Mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris) and Western Mugwort (Artemisia ludoviciana). The sedative effects of mugwort help ease epilepsy and convulsions. It has antispasmodic properties and can control seizures in some epileptics. It helps decreqse the severity of the seizures and increases the time between attacks. Tea or tincture of the leaf seems to work best. Warning: The plant may be toxic when used in large doses.

Thyme (Thymus vulgaris). Thyme has anti-spasmodic properties and prevents and treats epileptic seizures in some people. Oil of Thyme of Thyme Tincture are the best products to use for this purpose.

Looking around on the internet for natural remedies for seizures in humans, I found vitamin B6, magnesium, vitamin E, manganese, taurine, (maybe disregard the vitamins and minerals if she's getting supplements) dimethylglycine (DMG which you've already got), and omega-3 fatty acids (I would say this is an important one, provided by flax oil, or freshly ground flaxseeds - can do this in a dedicated small coffee grinder - chia seeds, walnuts).

Also CBD oil. A study published in Epilepsia found that CBD improved the effect of clobazam, a benzodiazepine used as an add-on treatment for seizures in both children and adults. A US vet uses CBD oil for pain in parrots particularly for nerve pain (in Avian Ganglioneuritis).

Would she eat pellets? Adding Harrison's High Potency to her diet for 6 months would plug any nutritional gaps.
 
Just got an email from my brother’s health company re AlphaClear:

Both zoeolite and chlorella aid in toxin removal so I thought of Picture. Both are safe for parrots. My brother’s supplements are only of the highest quality. I was thinking you could put the contents of a capsule in a salt shaker and sprinkle a little over her food.

(I know chlorella is a single cell organism in its natural state which is impossible for humans to digest, which is why it should be taken as a supplement where the cells have been broken down.)
 
PSUK seem to have a few vets listed on their site for Essex should you ever require one these are who they are recommending always good to have a list to look at just in case rather than trying to root somebody out in an emergency.

Avian Vets in Essex
Martin Lawton
Lawton & Stoakes 8-12 Fitzilian Avenue Harold Wood Romford RM3 0QS
Tel: 01708 384444
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.vets.uk.net

Ben Bennett
Colne Valley Vets
Off Maudlyn Road Colchester CO1 2GU
Tel: 01206 794695
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.colnevalleyvets.co.uk

South Beech Veterinary Surgery 40 Southend Road Wickford SS11 8DU
Tel: 01268 560660
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.southbeechvet.co.uk

Ashingdon Veterinary Surgery
Hedingham Place Rectory Road Golden Cross Ashingdon SS4 1UP
Tel: 01702 543701
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.ehvg.co.uk

Don Bremner
Assisi Vets Tiptree Vet Centre
Maypole Road / Barbrook Lan Tiptree CO5 0EJ
Tel: 01621 818282
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.tiptreevets.co.uk

Don Bremner
Assisi Vets
London Road Vets 47 London Road Lexden Colchester CO3 9AJ
Tel: 01206 544918
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.londonroadvets.co.uk

Wylie Pets Wylie Veterinary Hospital
196 Hall Lane Upminster RM14 1TD
Tel: 01708 251200
Email: [email protected]
Web: www.wylievets.com

Orchid Vets
309 Ongar Road Brentwood CM15 9HP
Tel: 01277 227462
Web: www.orchidvets.co.uk
Martin Lawton does exotic, mostly invertebrates. He is not taking new clients

Ben Bennett is now retired and South Beech no longer avian.

South Beech avian retired and they no longer do avian.

Ashington and Assissi
I emailed them but still no reply

About Wylie and Orchid
William Lewis is a vet, not avian, but can see birds. He was at the Wylie he then left to go to Orchid he then left for Tari he then left, been told he gone back to vet surgery, no longer claiming to do avian. Wylie and Orchid no longer see birds.

List of avian is on the RCVS, search for post code, then filter to avian.
There are only 3 avian vets in the UK.
There is a difference between trimming beak and toe nails of a bird and trying to examine a parrot.
So a practice might see birds but not for more than trimming beak and nails. There are also some vets who can see birds, such as chicken, but they wont see a parrot.
Avian is a very specialised area.
 
Help & Advice Needed Please.
Hi we have had Tico(african grey) since 6 months old, he is now 13 years old.
For 3 months now he has started having seizures & we are at the end of the road on what to do.

We know all about calcium problems, We have Arcadia UV light daily & outside in the summer, he is now on pellet food as the last 12 months went back on seeds due to a new parrot introduced which was on seeded diet for 12 years & have now got them both back on pellets + lots of veg, fruits, cottage cheese, chicken bones everything you name it as always researched to give best possible diet.

We have had 2 blood tests over the last month which show calcium is good, X-ray shows nothing, the vet has spoken to other professionals & diagnosed Epilepsy.
Unless we spend £1000's on further tests MRI etc we are treating Tico for Epilepsy with a medicine called Epiphen Solution 0.05ml twice a day.
After 7 days the seizures don't seem to last so long but Tico is now sleeping all the time very upsetting as we have to touch him to wake up. I can't see any sites this medicine is used on parrots only dogs & cats, sedation can be a side effect in dog/cats but Tico is on the lowest dose.

The seizures only seem to happen at night when put them to bed, through the daytime he's fine & eating, drinking ok.
We would be grateful if anyone else has experienced anything like this & please reply as we don't know what else we can do & now sleeping all the time worried he might be giving up.
Thanks

Adrian & Adilia
Have you spoken to your vet about using cbd oil?
 
I have used CBD oil with Ollie my Orange-winged Amazon who died of Avian Ganglioneuritis. I trusted the US vet as he is well known. There isn’t an avian vet on my small island so I have to research most things myself.

Just looking at your difficulty in finding an avian vet - a vet who deals with exotics is the next best thing to avian.
 
I have used CBD oil with Ollie my Orange-winged Amazon who died of Avian Ganglioneuritis. I trusted the US vet as he is well known. There isn’t an avian vet on my small island so I have to research most things myself.

Just looking at your difficulty in finding an avian vet - a vet who deals with exotics is the next best thing to avian.
I disagree. An avian vet would have the knowledge, somebody who clips cockatiels toes nails would not, but could advertise as bird vet. A vet who sees chicken could but a chicken is not a parrot.
I encountered problems with vets, in the uk most vets now work at practices who have been purchased by big groups, so money become their primary concerns.
The RCVS is supposed to overview complaints against vets in the UK but not practices.
In the UK, your pet can be examined, diagnosed and given medicines by associates, that is people who may have not studied veterinary disciplines. I recently noticed in the pets at home vets practice a lady who used to be at Morrisons supermarket till, she is now a vet nurse!
So, I would not trust unless the vet claiming to be avian, has been looking after parrots for many years, or have the certificates to prove he can examine, diagnose and subscribe to my pet birds. My birds are my family and trust me to do the best for them.
 
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