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A Discussion On Rehoming/adopting/fostering And What Do These Terms Mean?

Discussion in 'Rehoming' started by TomsMum, Oct 8, 2017.

  1. KallieRosaxo

    KallieRosaxo Registered

    What did my post start! Haha.

    First of all, I think it's good that charities do that for the animal and yes they do that if you adopt a cat and dog as well, especially if you want to rehome a dog from Romania and Spain, they have the exact same procedure as you do for parrots. I do think RSPCA and Battersea don't check up as often but I think that's only because they have so many cases to deal with all the time, whereas with the Romanian and Spain adoptions they are run by people like yourselves and do it all on their own time.

    I think I'm officially the person now who talks about dogs on a parrot forum :emoji_joy:

    You can adopt if you live in a flat, I live on a top floor and you have to use stairs, no lifts. Battersea was okay with that if anything it's better for dogs - especially ones who are high energy and need a lot of exercise - Saffies, for example, make great dogs for flats, the owner just has to commit to taking them out for walks 3 - 4 times a day. The best you can do with rescues is enquire and see if you can, they will attempt to find the perfect match for you. Another thing they might say no to is if you already have a dog as apparently, it's the law that you can only have one dog to an apartment. But they can make an exception, they were very open to the idea of me fostering with them, even though I have Beau now. I was also looking to adopt before but yeah see below as that happened. But also at the time my mum's friend does dog rescues and was going to give me a dog (but yeah again see below!) I just don't know if I can foster as we don't drive and even though they will organise a cab for you to the bring the dog to meet their potential adoptees, my anxiety has made me housebound and I have a phobia of transport, and only ever really leave the house with the boyfriend. My anxiety is really bad that I get sick from even visiting family, (muscle and bone pain, nausea, migraines. And travel sickness if travelling so logically want to avoid that!) but I am starting therapy this week after waiting a year for it, but yeah, it's super bad... but that also means I have the time at home to look after animals. Hence why I was here, purely because I knew parrots are classed as 'high mantainence' and needing a lot of time and someone who can be around.
    And yes they are in desperate need for children free homes as the dogs who tend to get stuck in the kennels the longest are said to not be good with children which means they aren't tolerant of being pulled and tugged at (although people should teach their kids not to do that and treat the animal with respect!) and it's also so they can match you with a family friendly dog over a would prefer not to live with children dog.

    I didn't get Beau from a rescue, as she was rescued by a civilian and not a charity. I only got Beau because one of my very good friends is a vet nurse (she hand rares kittens sometimes when abandon kittens come in and I help her and I babysit whilst she's at work! Oh and she adopted a blind older dog from Romania, she also knows the lady and she posts her regular updates via facebook and stuff. Those rescues are very active in keeping contact and wanting updates. And she knows a lot of people who work in the animal industry - vets, vet nurses, zoologists etc. - and one of her vet nurse friends posted on facebook about Beau after a friend of hers came to her about her friend who recently rescued this dog etc. who she couldn't keep because where she lives is no pets and basically my friend immediately tagged me and said this dog is perfect for you. But yeah they basically didn't really want to take her to a kennels/rescue centre, they wanted to try to rehome her themselves first. She needed on leash and off leash training, she needed house training, she's super energetic and boisterous, needed someone who could take her out for exercise every day, she was very skinny. And within hours, they'd brought her to us and at that point, several people had fostered her and they said she was just too much for them handle. At one house she went to they had six other dogs, and the other dogs like started picking on her - probably because she was an outsider to their pack and I don't think the people introduced her properly into it, she then stayed with someone else and whilst they were at work she murdered their cat. (they were warned she was a prey chaser especially for cats. She also destroyed some of their furniture.) and so the lady said, call me if you can't handle her and I'll have to find someone else. And now Beau has her forever home. After a few weeks training, she was fine! But yeah I've had the time to put the work in with her, and have a lot of experience with dogs.

    I'm also just really lucky that one of my very good friends trusts and knows me well enough. Because even though you could say I rescued Beau, she by far rescues me every single day! And I thank my friend so much for seeing the post and thinking of me, as I love this little lady so much. She's my world :emoji_blush:

    Sorry if this is slightly a bit off-topic.
     
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  2. Lisa7284

    Lisa7284 Regular Member Registered

    But what is 'dual' about it @Michael Reynolds? Surely the person giving the parrot a home is providing everything. It's not like you can turn around and say 'the parrot needs some unexpected whatever this month. I will pay half and the charity can pay the other half.'

    Like I said I think charities do amazing work and are sadly needed. But how many parrots are left in charities instead of loving homes (meaning that charity does not have the room to give a place to another parrot it need), because potential homes, with wonderful people are not willing to take the risk.

    Surely there could be measures to safeguard the parrot and the person adopting the parrot. I think the word adoption should mean permanence and security for both the person and the parrot.

    I will admit I have had very little experience with parrot charities but to me the terms of these 'adoptions' would put me off.

    Side note: Better not let Alfie see this thread he may get the hump if he thinks I am looking for another feathered friend. Can you imagine? One rules my life as it is, two would cause havoc! :nut:
     
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  3. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    can I just ask what happens with a bird adopted from the RSPCA? has anyone ever adopted one from them? Dogs awaiting homes by far exceeds other animals and then there are cats the next most popular animal is rabbits and now rodents are the next group of animals needing a home. although birds are the third most kept animal in the world. the biggest difference is there lifespan can out live the carer and the home that takes the bird in with many species as by the time people think of adopting or fostering or leasing many have over a twenty year start or more on the birds they take on. when I visit I spend hours making the potential carer aware of what the paperwork means and explaining everything in detail I still rather leave them to discuss things with themselves and other members of the household leaving the paperwork with them and make a separate visit so I am not putting pressure on them to join or take on one of the charities birds.
     
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  4. marley

    marley Regular Member

    I have an rspca bird here, they did a home visit and then I signed to say I would keep the bird, I made a one off payment and the bird is now mine. Personally I would not take on a bird which is leased/adopted/tied in any way to a charity or indeed anyone else, it's a personal choice I know but I feel I have the ability, knowledge and resources to care for a bird and I would not want any interference in the decisions on it's welfare. I had one friend who had a very bad experience with a charity which has maybe coloured my view but that's how it is. Sadly also without doubting members of any charities good intentions I do sometimes wonder about their qualifications to make judgements when their own abilities to keep livestock are in my opinion sometimes questionable.
     
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  5. sunnyring

    sunnyring Regular Member

    would not take one that I did not get ownership of. after the completly irresponsible & unethical behaviour my parents experienced with a dog rescue group I view having full ownership as essential.
     
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  6. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    Yes a few about five years ago I also was thinking of adopting a bird (a cockatiel that they had for some time) from the RSPCA and had a home visit at the time but they thought I had enough birds but the lady inspector loved the experience of species she had not seen up close and even able to have the birds on her hand. the condition of the birds and my place but had concerns over one of my finches that had a problem with one of its eyes but was satisfied that it had and was being treated under my avian vet at the time Aadora. I then went on and enquired about volunteering but they have a long waiting list and I would have to care for many different animals. I was reported once by my old landlord or the surveyor for having my birds in small travel cages. this was correct as I put every bird away and had to use travel and show cages whilst the visit from the landlord and a surveyor took place. I was not there as I was working. about a week after I had a caller it was an area RSPCA officer. so I invited them in after she had informed me they have concerns for the welfare of animals kept by myself. Of course they cannot say were the report came from but in this case it was obvious. well she was a little shocked as only two of my then flock was caged with the door closed, at that time I only had about thirty birds but as she could see they was well cared for mind you she did go out with poop on her shoulder.
     
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  7. bikergirl Carol

    bikergirl Carol Regular Member

    I dont know if any members can remember me mentioning about me rehoming a elderly couple, a kakariki and a cockateil several years ago. I paid my yearly subscription to the charity and applied to rehome the pair. unfortunately several weeks before I received a call from the charity i found myself in financial problems. The charity wanted their yearly subscription but also for me to have comprehensive pet insurance and be registered with an approved (by the charity) avain vet. I was unable to afford the extra money they wanted so i had to make the decision to give up my application. I know people will say that if i couldnt afford the subscription and insurance then i shouldnt have the birds and in principal i would agree but I know as now if any of my birds need veterinary care then out will come the credit card. My family come first and always will. I was heartbroken as all I wanted was to give these pensioners a comfortable safe home.
     
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  8. Michael Reynolds

    Michael Reynolds Regular Member

    Carol this has made me fill bad as I know just how difficult times can just turn up un expectantly. the day I met you at Scarlett's I had just found out that morning that I had quite a few thousands taken from my account some one cloned the card I felt so embarrassed and annoyed but I had promised I will take another member and I would not let her down. the only one I told of this was scarlet. I think I was the only member whom did not buy anything on that day. well carol if you still want a tiel and a Kak I will buy you them mind you they will remain mine and in your care no fees payable but you cannot sell them or pass them on and if for some reason you fill that you cannot care for them they have to come back to me. I have known you long enough to know the care you will give so I will not need to home visit I will class them as companion birds ( a service I give to lonely elderly people) no monies have ever been asked for as I personally not a registered charity.
     
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  9. bikergirl Carol

    bikergirl Carol Regular Member

    Michael that is a wonderful thing to say. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Im not able to have any more burdies at this time but maybe soon I hope. The pair I wanted had been together for years and just seem to call to me. They had been on the rehoming list for ages, maybe cos they were elderly and people seem to want young birds.
    It must have been a terrible shock for you to loose your money, I hope you got it back.
     
  10. Sue S

    Sue S Regular Member

    I am desperately trying to find a new home for my African Grey Percy.I have had him since he was 10 weeks old and he is now 11 and a half years old. He is hand reared and tame closed rung and I have all his paperwork.
    I have been struggling with my breathing and energy for about 2 years thinking I was just getting old and lazy until I went to my doctors and had numerous tests, CT & PET scans, blood tests and an open lung biopsy and it turns out I have lung hypersensitivity pneumonitis which my gorgeous boy has caused over the time I have had him.
    I had to rehome him immediately to stop any further damage to my lungs so he went to live with my niece but her eldest daughter has just moved back home who had animal allergies when she was a child and is now struggling with her breathing which would seem is caused by Percy too so understandably my niece can no longer keep him.
    I don't want to go down the road of trying to rehome him and him end up just being moved on from pillar to post I know enough about parrots how long they live for and how they get moved on to know I don't want this to happen to Percy it would break my heart it's bad enough I've had to let him go as it is.
    I did a search on the internet and found your page that is why I am contacting you in the hope that you might be able to help me and my boy. We are located in N E Lincs (Grimsby/Cleethorpes) any help would be greatly appreciated Sue
     
  11. dianaT

    dianaT Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Hi Sue S :welcome: I am so sorry to hear this, a sad situation.
    I have copied your post and given it it's own Rehoming thread.
    I am sure in due course some of our members will be along to offer Percy a new loving home.
    Can you say whether you want any money for him and his cage please.
    If he is to be sold he will need from Defra an article 10 certificate as Greys are now listed under Cites as endangered specie from earlier this year. If he is a gift then a gifting certificate is sufficient. Both are not difficult to obtain. :thumbsup: @Sue S
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2017
  12. KallieRosaxo

    KallieRosaxo Registered

    Hey Sue, if you can't find a more suitable home/someone with more experience, I have been looking into adopting/rehoming and what it takes and what I need to do so, and would love if you could consider me as your last resort. I am London based though so SUPER far away. I'm happy for you to come and do a home visit and interview me and all that and I will keep in contact, (email/facebook/on here whatever works!) I can send you regular updates on how Percy is doing. Nonetheless, I think this forum is very helpful and I'm sure you will find all the help and guidance you need. (I have a little about me on my profile.) :)
     
  13. Ozzys owner

    Ozzys owner Regular Member Registered

    I totally agree with you Michael, I am a registered large parrot safe house for a parrot charity who use the adoption method, also for a society who prefer to place parrots in a safehouse as opposed to a refuge/sanctuary before finding them a permanent home who then purchase them for a nominal fee. Both ways seem to work quite well which is evident by the before/after pictures of some of the sadder cases. I too take on Macaws...
     
  14. TomsMum

    TomsMum Administrator Staff Member Admin

    It only works If thorough checks are done on both safe housers and adoptees, and that the letter of the law is applied in CITES category 1 cases.

    There are good examples and extremely bad examples which over the years this forum has come across.